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Ako Izrael izgubi rat i Arapi krenu u konačni obračun, biće to kraj Bliskog istoka. Neki izraelski major će da naoruža rakete i avio - bombe i od Kaira, Amana, Damaska ostaće nuklearni holokaust!
Znaju to i Arapi, znaju to i Iranci.
Bliski istok bez Izraela - ne biva!



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10x10 ::Vreme neumitno tece. Neki se ponasaju kao riba koja se pracaka u mrezi koju izvalce napolje.
To sto nece ili nemogu da sagledaju stvari ne znaci da nece biti izvuceni na suvo.


Ove filozifije nisu od značaja za konkretnu priču.
Ali je zato jasno k'o dan ko će izvući deblji kraj ako Iran bude na jednoj strani...a, sve velike sile na drugoj.

Jedino ostaje pitanje hoće li velike sile imati zajednički stav oko Irana i ubuduće (kao do sada)...



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JA slusao juce na vestima da su ruski eksperi u Iranu i da u toku sledece nedelje treba da licno napune Iranski reaktor. Sada neka mi neko objasni o cemu vi pricate kada Iran odavno tvrdi da mu treba nuklearna energija za svoje potrebe. u UK grade sakom i kapom i po USA i Kanadi takodje, samo Iranu brane da se snabdeva jeftinom strujom.
Ma hajdete molim vas..

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Besotted ::JA slusao juce na vestima da su ruski eksperi u Iranu i da u toku sledece nedelje treba da licno napune Iranski reaktor...

Nikada nije bio problem da Iran koristi nuklearnu energiju u mirnodopske svrhe.
Čitav problem je jer se Iranu ne veruje da će stati na količini potrebnoj za mirnodopske svrhe, pa je zato neophodno da Iran sarađuje sa IAEA kako bi uverio svet u svoje mirnodopske namere. Ali..on ne sarađuje u potpunosti...i tako godinama...
October 1, 2009
GENEVA — Iran agreed on Thursday in talks with the United States and other major powers to open its newly revealed uranium enrichment plant near Qum to international inspection in the next two weeks and to send most of its openly declared enriched uranium outside Iran to be turned into fuel for a small reactor that produces medical isotopes...

...Iran had told the International Atomic Energy Agency that it needed fuel for the Tehran reactor before December 2010.

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Jun 2010.

...the Council decided that Iran should not acquire interests in any commercial activity relating to uranium enrichment and other nuclear materials or technology in other States, and that all States should prevent the transfer to Iran of any tanks, armoured combat vehicles, large-calibre artillery systems, attack helicopters, or missiles and related systems or parts. It also called upon all States to report to the relevant Sanctions Committee, within 60 days, on the steps they had taken to implement the necessary measures.

The Council affirmed that it would suspend the sanctions if, and so long as, Iran suspended all enrichment-related and reprocessing activities, as verified by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), to allow for good-faith negotiations. It also affirmed its determination to apply further measures if Iran continued to defy the just-adopted text as well as previous resolutions.

VITALY CHURKIN ( Russian Federation) said his vote in favour had been guided by his country’s consistent position on the need for to resolve through dialogue all questions involving Iran’s nuclear programme. Hopefully Iran would see the resolution as an appeal to launch substantial negotiations to clarify all issues and to fulfil its responsibilities towards IAEA and the Security Council. The Russian Federation would continue to make significant efforts to promote dialogue and the resolution of all such problems.

Thus far, Iran had not opened the road sufficiently to allow it fully to master the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, thanks to its lack of cooperation with IAEA, he said. Sanctions, forceful measures that must be used in a balanced and proportional way, were aimed exclusively at bolstering the non-proliferation regime and not at the well-being of the Iranian people...

LI BAODONG (China)
...said the adoption of the current text did not mean the door was closed to diplomatic efforts. Indeed, it was an attempt to bring Iran back to the table, since the sanctions it outlined could be suspended, or even lifted, if Iran complied with its IAEA obligations. Over the years, China had worked hard to ensure a negotiated settlement of the issue, and welcomed the tripartite agreement between Brazil, Turkey and Iran. It was to be hoped that Iran would use the momentum generated by the Tehran Declaration to build the international community’s confidence.

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Ovu su rekli ambasadori te dve države prilikom izglasavanja novih sankcija za Iran pre nekih dva meseca.

Besotted, prevedi ovaj deo, ako ti nije teško:
Thus far, Iran had not opened the road sufficiently to allow it fully to master the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, thanks to its lack of cooperation with IAEA, he said.

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10x10 ::neshaoct ::10x10 ::Vreme neumitno tece. Neki se ponasaju kao riba koja se pracaka u mrezi koju izvalce napolje.
To sto nece ili nemogu da sagledaju stvari ne znaci da nece biti izvuceni na suvo.


Ove filozifije nisu od značaja za konkretnu priču.
Ali je zato jasno k'o dan ko će izvući deblji kraj ako Iran bude na jednoj strani...a, sve velike sile na drugoj.

Jedino ostaje pitanje hoće li velike sile imati zajednički stav oko Irana i ubuduće (kao do sada)...


Ne pominjem dnevnopoliticka desavanja nego neminovnosti koje proizilaze iz njih. Tice se ove teme i ucesnika u njoj. Samo je malo sire gledanje od od onga sta ce se desti sutra ili prekosutra.

Zivi bili pa vidjeli...Kad govorimo o ribama: Ne jede se od svake ribe meso Ziveli

Dopuna: 15 Avg 2010 1:02

malo odmora od filozofa da iskoristim da postavim nesto sto ima veze sa temom...

Israel Assesses Changing Threats
With a shrinking military budget and changing threats, Israeli officials are wrestling with where to allocate future spending. The yearly debate between the treasury and the defense ministry is now underway, and the nation’s existential angst is reflected in a wide range of opinions.

The speed with which the Israeli administration can respond to new threats, and the evolving definitions of war and victory, are triggering new concerns.

“There are major challenges facing Israel that not all of us understand fully,” says Dan Meridor, deputy prime minister and minister of intelligence and atomic energy. “The [threats] are changing in a big way. The answer is not necessarily another armored brigade or another squadron of F-16s. Change calls for investing in innovation, thinking, resources and planning while redefining war, success and the battlefield.”

Moreover, the sophisticated environment of war is steadily becoming more complex. For example, “the demand for Israeli UAVs is impressive,” Meridor says. “It’s a dramatic revolution. You can conduct a variety of missions from safety without having to risk the lives of aircrews.”

UAVs may eventually play a surveillance and detection role in an invigorated missile defense system.

“You must be able to find, locate and intercept missiles in 10-12 seconds,” say Matan Vilnai, deputy defense minister and former deputy chief of staff for the Israeli army. “It’s very complicated and we’re going to invest a lot of money in improving our interception capability of aircraft, UAVs and missiles. The Arrow [interceptor missile] and the intelligence we get from our new satellites are an important part of that.”

Unmanned aircraft and satellites have an undisputed advantage in gathering intelligence undetected.

“Space is more and more an area of interest,” agrees Air Force Lt. Gen. (ret.) Dani Halutz, former chief of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). “Israel has a presence in space that is impressive for its size.”

He points to the nation’s geographic limitations as a long-term advantage. Because Israel has to launch its spacecraft against the direction of Earth’s rotation to avoid dropping boosters onto foreign soil, engineers and planners have had to innovate. “It has pushed us to develop sophisticated solutions with smaller satellites and higher quality payloads,” Halutz says. Success in a series of launches “completes another step forward in resolution and coverage for our ISR [intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance] portfolio. We need to be able to replace satellites on a constant basis. It is a bridge over distances and it provides us with remote agents.”

Cyberwar, high-power microwaves and network invasion are additional areas of keen Israeli interest.

Selected antennas supporting [enemy] military capabilities should be targets for us,” Halutz says. “Command-and-control systems are high on the list. Whether you call it cyber or network operations, it means soft kills of systems.”

Vilnai adds that “a small number of the people involved are civilians, but [cyber-attack] is part of the IDF. It’s also part air force and part intelligence. As with everywhere else in the world, [cyber-operations] are taking their first steps. We’re trying to understand it and do whatever we can with it.

The cyber-world is another new battlefield and a new reality,” says Meridor. “I’m interested in it, discussing it and learning about it. Innovation is not only in the technology. It is in the user. My children live in the cyber-world, but I’m not there as much as they are. Small groups sitting in basements in Paris, Oslo, Riyadh or New York can wage war, and it will be very hard to find even a trace. It’s not just states but individuals that can use this capability.”

Others are more circumspect about Israel’s cyber-capabilities.

“I can’t talk about possible measures that may or may not exist, but they by themselves, even if we do have them, aren’t enough to guarantee success,” says another retired senior IDF officer. “It will have to be a careful approach because the outcome [of the technology’s use] is uncertain. That strategy has an impact, particularly if it fails.”

Exploiting the new technologies will also call for investing in organizational and networking changes.

“We have to develop a mechanism that allows us to effectively integrate intelligence from five sources—visual, signals, communications and human intelligence and open sources,” the official says. “It is not enough to be passive. If you conduct a very thorough and professional investigation of the Internet, you can get enormous amounts of information.”

That information opens the door to exploiting a foe’s use of the cyber-world. The official notes that “you can be much more proactive, join certain groups and get unbelievable [intelligence].”

However, the capability comes with a caveat.

“You cannot operate in an environment where each intelligence agency has its own information and shares it only when it wants to,” the veteran analyst says. “You need a computer network that lets you combine everything into one picture. You can’t operate agencies in parallel.”

Halutz also emphasizes the importance of data fusion and improved dissemination of intelligence.

“We need force structure that can support production of targets at the GPS-coordinates level with real-time deployment of the right information to the right places,” he says. “You also need a system that can fuse information from different disciplines. We need a better common language between the land, air and sea forces. And we have to use the relevant tools and formations to achieve the mission with the highest accuracy, the least collateral damage in the shortest time and with the minimum of weapons.”

Senior Israeli officials also widely agree that large rockets threatening their country will soon have GPS navigation guidance. Moreover, they contend that increasing missile ranges now threaten all of Israel’s important strategic infrastructure. This adds a sense of urgency to fielding additional missile defenses.

“I would create special protection for [the most important strategic sites] rather than try to protect the whole state of Israel, which is the policy today,” says Army Maj. Gen. (ret.) ­Giora Eiland, who previously headed the national security council. “There are tens of targets that need to be protected, and there is an advanced system that gives almost a 100% guarantee to any facility that it protects that I can’t talk about.”

Eiland is likely referring to one of two new systems. “Iron Dome” is a lower-level system to defend against short-range ballistic missiles and long-range rockets. “David’s Sling” is an associated system that protects sites from medium-range ballistic missiles. They are tied into a comprehensive air and missile defense system that includes Arrow 2, the soon-to-be-deployed Arrow 3 and advanced versions of the Patriot missile; the combination creates a defensive shield from the ground into the exoatmosphere.

“I would develop long-range, ground-to-ground missiles so that we don’t have to be fully dependent on the air force if air bases are targeted,” Eiland says. “I would increase the number of submarines for many reasons.”

Israel’s submarines now carry high-precision, long-range cruise missiles.

By David A. Fulghum
Tel Aviv and Jerusalem

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neshaoct ::Besotted ::JA slusao juce na vestima da su ruski eksperi u Iranu i da u toku sledece nedelje treba da licno napune Iranski reaktor...

Nikada nije bio problem da Iran koristi nuklearnu energiju u mirnodopske svrhe.
Čitav problem je jer se Iranu ne veruje da će stati na količini potrebnoj za mirnodopske svrhe, pa je zato neophodno da Iran sarađuje sa IAEA kako bi uverio svet u svoje mirnodopske namere. Ali..on ne sarađuje u potpunosti...i tako godinama...


itno je da se izraelu veruje iako se zan da poseduje ne nuklearne reaktore za snabdevanje strujom nego i N bojeve glave i to je cifra stavljena na min 200+!
Naravno, oni i posle toliko optuzbi Irana i drugih zemalja ne moraju nista da dokazuju i da dopuset ostallima da im se setaju i nadgledaju sta rade tamo.
Stavite se malo u kozu drugih i pomislite kako bi ste vi reagovali da vam jedna kvazi-tvorevina navlaci sankcije i neke "belosvetske experte" konstantno a uspevajuci da zaobidje slicne stvari kod sebe.
Mislim da je to dovoljan dokaz gde se krije zlo i ko upravlja svetom, ali doci ce im kraj kao i svom drugom zlu jer je dobrih ljudi uvek vise. Ziveli

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Moramo uzeti u obzir da vlasti Kuvajta, Saudi arabije i ostalih zalivskih zemalja se oslanjaju na SAD. To najbolje vidimo po opremi koju prodaju Saudi arabiji i drugim zalivskim zemljama. Narod je nasuprot toga izrazito anti SAD. Od osamnest clanova posade aviona septembra 2001 15 su Saudijci i Bin Laden je saudijac. Takav raskorak izmedju vlasti i naroda ne moze vecno da traje.
Drugi faktor je geografija tu se nalazi 40% svetskih rezervi nafte, Iran u slucaju napada moze uzvratiti: zatvaranjem hormuskog prplaza, u gorem slucaju udarom po nafnim terminalima zalivskih drzava. Iran ima izuzetno jake karte da uzvrati u slucaju napada Izraela ili SAD.

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misaiv ::Moramo uzeti u obzir da vlasti Kuvajta, Saudi arabije i ostalih zalivskih zemalja se oslanjaju na SAD. To najbolje vidimo po opremi koju prodaju Saudi arabiji i drugim zalivskim zemljama. Narod je nasuprot toga izrazito anti SAD.
Moramo jos vise uzeti u obzir da iste te zemlje pod prvo ce neajvise profitirati cak i u zategnutim odnosima (skok cjena nafte itd) drugo velika je zabluda da samo crpe naftu i puse nargilu,imaju ogroman kapital ulozen na zapadu a od toga se mogu pozdraviti ako (a nece) kojom prilikom da se stanje tamo radikalizuje, skoro su sanse 0 za podrsku izraelu, dok kod podrske palestine je drugacije mada imaju velikih zamjerki na palestinsko vodstvo zbog korupcije...
Bin Laden je moga lakse napasti americke interese u S arabiji, ali zna da se ne bi tamo nanosao glave zbog kraljevske porodice...Jedan primjer da pomenem otmicu i ubistvo americkog drzavaljanina 2004 u S arabiji, ubice nisu dugo hodale ulicom.
Kuwajt se isto obracunao sa radikalnim elementima 2004 bez milosti.

Moze svega biti, ali tesko da Iran moze dobiti neku sveobuhvatnu podrsku (pojedinci i neke institucije u islamskom svjetu da)

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