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Mada se nosači često koriste za brz transport kopnenih aviona do udaljenih baza ili tamo gde su hitno potrebni.



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F-15 ili F-18 svejedno...samo jedan nosac aviona od onih koji se tamo petljaju ima mocniju avijaciju od citavog Irana (nazalost). Iranci im se u zraku doista nemaju cime suprostaviti...



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NATO ima običaj da kada se na nebu pojave "crveni" povlači sve jurišnike iz tog dela.
Sa druge strane zadatak svakog lovačkog aviona, pa i eskadrila u celini, je da presretnu, obore ili osujeti neprijateljsku jurišnu avijaciju.

Tako gledano, nije čak ni neophodno da do kontakta ili ispaljivanja raketa dođe, jer kada se jurišna avijacija jednom povuče iz reona često nema dovoljno goriva da se ponovo vrati. Pogotovo ako je to recimo 250Km u dubini neprijateljeve teritorije.

A to ima za posledicu i da se troši gomila goriva nizašta, da se velike količine ubojnih sredstava odbacuje pre sletanja jer nije iskorišćeno, da se sama "operacija" produžava.

To smo mi vrlo dobro znali da iskoristimo '99.
A protivničke lovce treba da pokriva dalekometna PVO.

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Citat:Iranci im se u zraku doista nemaju cime suprostaviti...

Iran svo vreme kreira svoju taktiku i planove u skladu sa tim aksiomom, zato to više u suštini nije hendikep.. Što se tiče "vaseljenske" ili kako se već zove, to smeće treba izbegavati ili čitati radi zabave.

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Iranci imaju avijaciju sasvim solidnu za odbranu,pored Izraelske njihova avijacija se još jedino smatra borbeno sposobna u tom regionu u pravom smislu te rjeći znaći da u svakom trenutku samostalno ne zaviseći ni od koga izvodi sve vrste borbeni dejstava na teritoriji Irana,oni jedino imaju ofanzivne kapacitete ograničene i smatra se da su sposobni djelovati samo na ter.Irana ,perzijskom zalivu i užem susjedstvu.
Amerikanci tvrde da jedan pilot bez nekih specijanih vještina može sa mačorom u svakom trenutku napraviti 7 obaranja dok i sam nebude oboren a da bolje trenirani piloti mogu napraviti i bolji rezultat i oni su smatrali da taj avion vrjedi najmanje 7 drugih aviona ,sad to jeste u stilu Amerikanaca prenapuhano ali činjenica je da je to jedan boljih aviona i dan danas.Ono što treba gledati(po meni) je čime neko može naoružati svoje avione pa onda tek sam avion koji je na kraju samo platforma za to oružije i u današnje vrijeme BWR-borbe to je ono što je najbitnije.Iranci nisu glupi i to znaju i ako pogledamo oni imaju sasvim solidne projektile za avijaciju a i dosta su ulagali u unapredjenje aviona iz domaćih izvora tako da je to sasvim dovoljno da pariraju bilo kome iz tog regiona. Amerikancima ionako niko nemože parirati u zraku i efikasnije je njima ulagati u PVO,protiv brodske sisteme i sredstva odvraćanja jer da bi parirali NATO-u u zraku treba i para a i godinama bi trajalo isporučivanje aviona čak i da nadju ko če im prodati. I tu nije problem u kvalitetu aviona nego u broju jednostavno oni su ustanju odbiti napad što se tiće kvaliteta,problem je broj šta poslije avione treba održavat+gubitci a ovi jednostavno samo smjenjuju grupe i neko je već pomenuo za nosać aviona,šta vrijedi potapanje i cijele borbene grupe kad će oni dok to naprave izgubiti cjelu mornaricu i poslije ovi dovuku drugu a ti nemaš ni čamca.To je što se tiče vojnog dijela,druga je stvar što Američka javnost teško podnosi gubitke pa to ima ogromne političke posljedice uostalom strah od javnosti u slučaju velikih gubitaka i drži Amerikance na distanci,oni bi to nekako da izvedu bez većih gubitaka.

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Nelsa, slažem se u potpunosti. Obaranje jednog F-117 iznad Srbije 1999. godine je bila velika svjetska senzacija, ali nije zaustavilo bombardovanje. Javnost u SAD nije dobro primila vijest o gubitku osjetljive tehnologije. Da je bilo više takvih gubitaka, pitanje je kako bi se napadi dalje odvijali......I ja, kao i ti mislim i ponavljam stalno, da je iranska PVO daleko moćnija i opasnija od PVO SRJ 1999. godine i da bi mogla nanijeti gubitke SAD-u koji bi bili teško priihvatljivi za javnost i političare. Tu je najveća šansa Irana da iznudi prekid napada, ako do njih dođe...Inače, niko osim Rusije, Kine i možda Indije se ne može odbraniti od NATO-a i to je realnost, a poraziti ih ne može niko...

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Napisano: 14 Jan 2012 12:40

US Moves To Expel Venezuelan Diplomat Linked To Cyber Plot


CARACAS (Dow Jones)--U.S. authorities have moved to expel Venezuela's consul general in Miami amid an investigation into a news report that linked the diplomat to an alleged plot reportedly hatched along with Iran and Cuba to launch a cyber attack against the U.S. government

In a statement released Sunday, a state department official said the Venezuelan diplomat, Livia Acosta Noguera, had been declared a persona non grata and would have to leave the U.S. by Jan. 10. The official declined to offer details behind the decision but added that the Venezuelan embassy had been informed of the move Friday.

Venezuelan officials were not immediately available for comment Sunday.

In December, the state department confirmed an investigation had been opened into allegations raised by a documentary called "The Iranian Threat" aired by the U.S.-based TV network Univision. The Spanish-language channel reported that in 2008 Acosta was among a group of Venezuelan, Iranian and Cuban diplomats, then based in Mexico, who explored plans to attack the computer systems of the White House, the FBI, the CIA and several nuclear power plants.

Iran's former ambassador to Mexico, Mohammad Hassan Ghadir appeared in the documentary and denied the accusations.

The announcement of the expulsion of Acosta comes on the same day Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, a close ally of Venezuelan counterpart Hugo Chavez, is scheduled to visit Caracas during his first stop of a four country tour of Latin America. The Iranian leader will visit Venezuela, Nicaragua, Cuba and Ecuador, nations with left-leaning governments opposed to U.S. influence in the region.

Obama administration officials and U.S. diplomats say Iran is not a serious rival to U.S. in the hemisphere, but that the White House is closely monitoring for signs that Tehran may seek use Latin America to stage terror attacks.

In October, U.S. authorities accused Iranian officials of seeking to enlist a Mexican hit man to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the U.S., charges Tehran called baseless and lies.

Venezuela's Chavez, Washington's loudest critic in the region, has strengthened ties with Iran in recent years.

In Venezuela, Iran estimates it has entered 70 joint venture deals valued at up to $17 billion, including a factory to assemble cars and tractors under the brand name "Veniran."

Last year, Venezuela's state oil monopoly, commonly known as PDVSA, was one of seven energy firms sanctioned by the U.S. State Department for providing gasoline and other refined petroleum products to Iran in violation of the 1996 Iran Sanctions Act. The act was put in place to pressure Iran to drop its nuclear program.

The sanctions did not affect the nearly 1.2 million barrels of oil Venezuela sends to the U.S. daily. Venezuela is one of the top five suppliers of oil to the U.S.

Venezuelan officials blasted the U.S. government's sanctions on PDVSA, calling the move an "imperialist" act and a "violation of the country's sovereignty," but stopped short of denying allegations that the South American country sent petroleum products to Iran in violation of the international accord.

Tensions between the U.S. and Iran have ratchet up in recent weeks amid tightening sanctions against Tehran by the West.

In the past two weeks, Iran has threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz, an international waterway through which one-fifth of the world's oil trade exits the Persian Gulf, and to ban a U.S. aircraft carrier from the strait. U.S. officials have responded with implicit threats of force.


http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120108-703455.html





Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad joke about 'big atomic bomb'
Both leaders dismiss U.S. concerns about Iran's growing ties with Latin America

Venezuelan presidency via EPA
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, left, greets Iranian counterpart Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at Miraflores Palace in Caracas, Venezuela, on Monday.

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updated 1/10/2012 5:33:37 AM ET

CARACAS, Venezuela — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Venezuela's Hugo Chavez lavished praise on each other on Monday, mocked U.S. disapproval and joked about having an atomic bomb at their disposal.
The fiery anti-U.S. ideologues have forged increasingly close ties between their fellow OPEC nations in recent years, although concrete projects have often lagged behind the rhetoric.
Both leaders dismissed U.S. concerns about Iran's intentions in the Middle East and its growing diplomatic links with Chavez and his allies in Latin America.
US expels Venezuela diplomat over cyber-attack claims
"They accuse us of being warmongers," Chavez said during a joint press conference. "They're the threat."
As he often does, the theatrical and provocative Chavez stuck his finger right into the global political sore spot, joking that a bomb was ready under a grassy knoll in front of his Miraflores palace steps.
"That hill will open up and a big atomic bomb will come out," he said, the two men laughing together.
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NYT: Iran trumpets nuclear ability at second location
Chavez accused the U.S. and its European allies of demonizing Iran and using false claims about the nuclear issue "like they used the excuse of weapons of mass destruction to do what they did in Iraq."
'Yankee imperialism'
Washington and other governments believe Iran is using the nuclear program to develop atomic weapons. Chavez and his allies back Iran in arguing the program is purely for peaceful purposes.
"One of the targets that Yankee imperialism has in its sights is Iran, which is why we are showing our solidarity," Chavez said. "When we meet, the devils go crazy," he added. mocking U.S. warnings that Latin American nations should not help the Islamic republic.
The Iranian leader is using the visit to tout relationships with some of his close friends shortly after the U.S. imposed tougher sanctions on Iran over its nuclear program.
As well as Venezuela, Ahmadinejad plans to visit Nicaragua, Cuba and Ecuador — a tour that Washington has said shows its "desperation" for friends.
Iran sentences US man to death for spying
Those nations' governments share Chavez's broad global views, but do not have Venezuela's economic clout and are unable to offer Iran any significant assistance.
Ahmadinejad dismissed the accusations about Iran's nuclear program in general terms.
Video: War of words with Iran escalates (on this page)
"They say we're making (a) bomb," the Iranian leader said through an interpreter. "Fortunately, the majority of Latin American countries are alert. Everyone knows that those words ... are a joke. It's something to laugh at."
"It's clear they're afraid of our development," Ahmadinejad said.
"President Chavez is the champion in the war on imperialism," he added.
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Rising tensions
Regional economic powerhouse Brazil, which gave the Iranian leader a warm welcome when he visited during the previous government of Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, was notably absent from his agenda this time.
Ahmadinejad, who is subordinate to Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei on foreign policy and other matters, has said little about the rising tensions with the West, including the sentencing to death of an Iranian-American man for spying for the CIA. The United States denies that the man is a spy.
Video: Iran sentences American to death (on this page)
"The only bombs we're preparing are bombs against poverty, hunger and misery," added Chavez, saying Iranian constructors have built 14,000 new homes in Venezuela recently.
Ahead of hosting Ahmadinejad, Ecuador's government also offered moral support, pledging to ignore Western sanctions.
"We say with clarity that we do not accept those sanctions," Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino told reporters.
"We are a sovereign nation, we don't have dads punishing us and putting us in the corner for behaving badly. They (the U.S.) should instead be sanctioning the U.S. companies doing massive business in Tehran like Coca-Cola and Pepsi-Cola."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45938366/ns/world_news-americas/#.TwxMF28V2rk

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thunder ::Nelsa, slažem se u potpunosti. Obaranje jednog F-117 iznad Srbije 1999. godine je bila velika svjetska senzacija, ali nije zaustavilo bombardovanje. Javnost u SAD nije dobro primila vijest o gubitku osjetljive tehnologije. Da je bilo više takvih gubitaka, pitanje je kako bi se napadi dalje odvijali......I ja, kao i ti mislim i ponavljam stalno, da je iranska PVO daleko moćnija i opasnija od PVO SRJ 1999. godine i da bi mogla nanijeti gubitke SAD-u koji bi bili teško priihvatljivi za javnost i političare. Tu je najveća šansa Irana da iznudi prekid napada, ako do njih dođe...Inače, niko osim Rusije, Kine i možda Indije se ne može odbraniti od NATO-a i to je realnost, a poraziti ih ne može niko...

Kako moze biti mocnija i opasnija kad ne poseduje PVO sisteme velikog dometa?

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Обама шаље 15.000 војника у Кувајт

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Napisano: 15 Jan 2012 13:19

IGRA ŽIVACA U MOREUZU ORMUZ
FLOTA IRANA KRENULA NA AMERIKANCE
(10) Nedelja, 15. Januar, 2012.| Autor: Ekipa Kurira

Tri iranska glisera umalo izazvala incident kad su se na samo 400 metara približila brodu mornarice SAD u Persijskom zalivu


TEHERAN - Čikaju se s Amerima.
Američka mornarica saopštila je da su tri iranska čamca sa istaknutom zastavom ove zemlje izazivala dva vojna broda mornarice SAD u Persijskom zalivu nedaleko od moreuza Ormuz. Incident se dogodio u petak, a američka mornarica je objavila i snimak tog događaja. Na njemu se vidi kako su iranski gliseri munjevitom brzinom protutnjali pored američkog vojnog broda „Nju Orleans“, približivši mu se na samo 400 metara.

„Iranski brodovi nisu odgovorili na zvučni signal upozorenja, čime su narušili standardni pomorski protokol“, objavila je Centralna američka komanda.
Ipak, Amerikanci su uspeli da stupe u kontakt s drugim iranskim brodom, posle čega su čamci prekinuli provokaciju i otišli.

„Videlo se da su hteli da izazovu incident. Međutim, osim uznemiravanja naših brodova, nisu išli dalje. Nijedan metak nije ispaljen“, kaže jedan zvaničnik američke vojske.
Podsetimo, Iran je zapretio da će blokirati strateški moreuz Ormuz, kroz koji se s Istoka nafta prevozi u zapadne zemlje, ukoliko se nastave pritisci i pooštre sankcije prema Teheranu zbog spornog nuklearnog programa.

Zasad nije jasno šta bi Ujedinjene nacije mogle da preduzmu u slučaju da Teheran zaista zaustavi transport nafte u strateškom delu Persijskog zaliva, ali su vojni zvaničnici u Americi u nekoliko navrata decidirano potvrdili da su spremni za pomorski rat. SAD su, u okviru priprema za eventualni sukob s Iranom, nedavno prebacile 15.000 vojnika u susedni Kuvajt.


Rogozin: Napad na Iran je pretnja za Rusiju!

Rusija će smatrati bilo koju vojnu intervenciju povezanu s iranskim nuklearnim programom kao opasnost za sopstvenu bezbednost, izjavio je odlazeći ambasador Rusije u NATO Dmitrij Rogozin.

„Iran je naš sused. I ako protiv Irana bude pokrenuta bilo kakva vojna akcija, to je direktna pretnja za našu bezbednost“, izjavio je Rogozin.

Na pomolu novi Perl Harbor

Bivši izraelski bezbednjak Avi Peri tvrdi da bi Iran mogao da izvede iznenadni napad na američku flotu u Persijskom zalivu, baš kao što su Japanci 1941. napali američku luku Perl Harbor. To bi, kaže Peri, bio direktan povod u američki napad na Iran i početak velikog rata u 2012.

http://www.kurir-info.rs/planeta/flota-irana-krenula-na-amerikance-171212.php

Dopuna: 15 Jan 2012 13:21

Bivši izraelski bezbednjak Avi Peri tvrdi da bi Iran mogao da izvede iznenadni napad na američku flotu u Persijskom zalivu, baš kao što su Japanci 1941. napali američku luku Perl Harbor. znaci, izraelci ce tajno da potope americku mornaricu da bi ih uvukli u rat?

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