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Te činjenice nisu relevantne za rješavanje ovakvi konflikata i svjesko pravo i konvencije nisu zasnovane na istorijskom kontekstu iz dobrog razloga jer bi u svjetu nastao haos.
Mora se uzeti u obzir da danas tamo žive dva naroda koji imaju pravo na život i nemožemo ni jedne istrjebiti i zbog toga se uzelo kao polazno rješenje granice iz '67 jer je tada teritorija bila podjeljena približno na pola mada po UN-u Palestinci imaju pravo na teritoriju iz '49.

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Исламски екстремисти покрета ХАМАС уништили су у недељу ракетни брод израелске војске у луци Газе, саопштила је иранска телевизија Al-Alam. Према њеним подацима, изнад луке је такође срушен и хеликоптер. Израелска војска ове догађаје није потврдила.
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Hamas oborio izraelski dron Rafael Skylite B


Citat:Even if the Israeli government spokesman tweeted that the drone that Hamas showed on Al-Aqsa TV is not Israeli and not in service in the IDF, it actually seems to be one of the Israel’s robots filling the skies over Gaza.

The drone, one of those providing targeting and ISR (Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance) capabilities in the area, is a Rafael Skylite B UAV.

The Skylite B is a mini-UAV (unmanned aerial vehicle) that uses an electro-optic payload (located on the nose of the drone), stabilized and outfitted with gimbals.

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Po svemu sudeći Hamas je pripremio reprizu "Libanske avanture" za IDF.
Za sad se Hamas drži iznenađujuće dobro. Vidi se veliki napredak u taktici a i arsenal im je na nivou Hezbolahovog. Obzirom da drže pozicije na urbanom teritoriju zaštićeni sa oko 1 000 000 civila a imajući u vidu fanatičnost i obučenost gerilaca, polako se stiču uslovi za možda i najtežu bitku koju je IDF ikad vodila.
Jasno je da Hamas ima lake PVO rakete jer je potvrđeno obaranje F 16 a izgleda i Helikoptera Apač! Ako imaju PVO sad sam potpuno siguran da imaju i PO sredstva novije generacije! To znači da kad IDF uđe kolonama oklopnih vozila u urbane dijelove Gaze ovi će ih čekati sa PO zasjedama a niskoleteći avioni a pogotovo helikopteri biće izloženi velikom riziku. IDF će ili morati uvesti pješadiju u krvave gradske borbe ili ostati na rubu urbanih područija i artiljerijom i avijacijom pokušati neutralisati Hamasove efektive (bojim se da je tako nemoguće boriti se protiv gerile a da ne spominjem ogromne civilne žrtve).
Za koju god varijantu da se odluče cijena će biti visoka sa neizvjesnim ishodom za Izrael. Mislim da su im obavješajci opet podbacili. Nisu na vrijeme spriječili dotur modernog naoružanja i sad imaju situaciju gore opisanu.
Ili će IDF u sledećim danima pokazati zašto je među najboljim na svijetu ili je Izrael počeo da gubi dah!

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Citat:Шестог дана израелске војне операције „Стуб одбране” на појас Газе израелски медији јављају да је Израел упозорио Хамас да ће покренути копнену офанзиву, ако не буде прекида ватре у року од 36 сати.

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Ma kakvo primirije Hamasov lider je eliminisan usred razgovora o primiriju


Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce

Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit, says Israel made a mistake that will cost the lives of 'innocent people on both sides.'

By Nir Hasson | 13:55 15.11.12 | 41

Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip. This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since then maintained a relationship with Hamas leaders.

Baskin told Haaretz on Thursday that senior officials in Israel knew about his contacts with Hamas and Egyptian intelligence aimed at formulating the permanent truce, but nevertheless approved the assassination.

“I think that they have made a strategic mistake," Baskin said, an error "which will cost the lives of quite a number of innocent people on both sides."

"This blood could have been spared. Those who made the decision must be judged by the voters, but to my regret they will get more votes because of this,” he added.

Baskin made Jabari’s acquaintance when he served as a mediator between David Meidin, Israel’s representative to the Shalit negotiations, and Jabari. “Jabari was the all-powerful man in charge. He always received the messages via a third party, Razi Hamad of Hamas, who called him Mister J.”

For months, Baskin sent daily messages in advance of the formulation of the deal. He kept the channel of communication with Gaza open even after the Shalit deal was completed.

According to Baskin, during the past two years Jabari internalized the realization that the rounds of hostilities with Israel were beneficial neither to Hamas nor to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip and only caused suffering, and several times he acted to prevent firing by Hamas into Israel.

He said that even when Hamas was pulled into participating in the launching of rockets, its rockets would always land in open spaces. “And that was intentional,” clarified Baskin.

In recent months Baskin was continuously in touch with Hamas officials and with Egyptian intelligence as well as with officials in Israel, whose names he refused to divulge. A few months ago Baskin showed Defense Minister Ehud Barak a draft of the agreement and on the basis of that draft an inter-ministry committee on the issue was established. The agreement was to have constituted a basis for a permanent truce between Israel and Hamas, which would prevent the repeated rounds of shooting.

“In Israel,” Baskin said, “they decided not to decide, and in recent months I took the initiative to push it again.” In recent weeks he renewed contact with Hamas and with Egypt and just this week he was in Egypt and met with top people in the intelligence system and with a Hamas representative. He says he formed the impression that the pressure the Egyptians applied to the Palestinians to stop shooting was serious and sincere.

“He was in line to die, not an angel and not a righteous man of peace,” Baskin said of Jabari and of his feelings in the wake of the killing, “but his assassination also killed the possibility of achieving a truce and also the Egyptian mediators’ ability to function. After the assassination I spoke to the people in Israel angrily and they said to me: We’ve heard you and we are calling to ask if you have heard anything form the Egyptians or from Gaza.”

Since the assassination, Baskin has been in touch with the Egyptians but not with the Palestinians. According to him, the Egyptians are very cool-headed. They said it is necessary to let the fresh blood calm down. "The Egyptian intelligence people are doing what they are doing with the permission and authorization of the regime and apparently they very much believe in this work,” he says.

“I am mainly sad. This is sad for me. I am seeing people getting killed and that is what is making me sad. I tell myself that with every person who is killed we are engendering the next generation of haters and terrorists,” adds Baskin.

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Trenutno stanje na terenu ukazuje, da se rat širi geometrijskom progresijom po celom blisko- istočnom regionu..ratni požar svuda..gde ga nema on tinja..

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Тенкови бржи од примирја
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Citat:Израел запретио копненом офанзивом ако у року од 36 сати Хамас не прекине ракетне нападе.

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Мислим какве су ово глупости да је срушен ф-16,Апач,уништен ракетни брод..смирите доживљаје то је као оно кад су наши јављали за вријеме агресије да сваки дан рушимо по десет авиона.

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Naravno....ko bi drugi krivac bio,nego Iran...

Israel blames Iran for Gaza terror
Citat:For the first time since the beginning of Operation Pillar of Defense, Israel has placed the blame on Iran for all aspects of weapons' smuggling to the Gaza Strip.

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