Rat u Siriji, 2011-2015. godina

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Rat u Siriji, 2011-2015. godina

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Ovo nije normalno ponašanje za jednu vojsku. Ovo su glineni golubovi. A ovi što napadaju konvoje isto da igraju neku dječiju video igricu. Pa rade šta im je volja, a nema nikakvog odgovora.

Ne učini li se nešto u skorije vrijeme, i to jako jako brzo, bojim se da će više šanse za uspjeh imati pobunjenici.

I zaista moram priznati da su uspješniji, borbeniji i mnogo bolji pobunjenici iz Sirije nego iz Libije. Ono su bili klasični manekeni u papučama koji su se voljeli slikati za strane medije. Bez intervencije NATO-a ne bi ništa uspjeli. Dok je u Siriji sasvim druga priča. Htjeli priznati ili ne, ipak prave uspjehe. A vrijeme prolazi. Vrijeme je bitan faktor u tome. Ovo se predugo odvija i ne ide na ruku sirijskim vlastima. Narodu će dosaditi ovakvo stanje (ako im već i nije preko glave).

Razmišljam da je onaj prvi upad u Damask možda bio da se opipa puls naroda i vidi šta se može. Sa sljedećim upadom pobunjenici bi možda imali veću podršku. Ili će se bolje pripremiti, ako su, a jesu, uočili nedostatke prilikom prvog upada.

Na kraju krajeva (po primjeru Libije) stanovnici i nisu nešto zainteresirani za borbu i rat. Preko noći će promjeniti stranu (kao da je teško nalijepiti još jednu zvijezdu na zastavi i izaći na trg, vidjeti pod: Tripoli).

Dokopaju li se kojim slučajem vladinih zgrada, TV-a i komandnih mjesta to je kraj.

Naravno, ovo je samo pretpostavka i scenario, ali nije nemoguć.

Ponavljam, ne učini li u skorije vrijeme SA nešto u svoju korist i ne napravi li dobar rezultat, s ciljem uništenja što većeg dijela pobunjenika i njihovih džepova otpora, bojim se da je gotovo.



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Analiza Gardijana o izvorima rebelskog naoružavanja

Citat:Sources of rebels' weaponry

The FSA is increasingly well armed, but where are the weapons coming from? Our colleague Louisa Loveluck has been looking for some answers:

Lebanon

A large number of small arms are believed to have been smuggled in from neighbouring Lebanon. A report that Beirut’s gunshops are almost bare-shelved tallies with anecdotal and photographic evidence showing civilian rifles and shotguns cropping up in Syria.

In addition, M16A1 rifles and a small handful of M16A2s have been sighted. These are standard-issue weapons for the Lebanese military, suggesting that the weapons did indeed come from Syria’s neighbour, even if through informal channels.

Iraq

Iraq is also a key entry point for small arms and light weapons reaching the Syrian market. According to small arms analyst and consultant Nic Jenzen-Jones, the Dulaim tribal group has sent a variety of reinforcements, including heavy machine guns (12.7x108mm Dushkas), and technicians capable of preparing improvised explosive devices (IEDs), as well as smaller arms procured through smuggling routes.

At least one Iraqi-made Tabuk-designated marksman’s rifle has been spotted. Jenzen-Jones believes that this almost certainly came from across the Iraqi border. Interestingly, he suggests that much of the Iraqis' IED expertise was originally provided by Iran, now a key supporter of the Syrian regime.

Saudi Arabia

For all the talk of deliveries paid for by Gulf allies, the majority of rebel-held weapons still appear to have been acquired internally. However, question marks hover over the proliferation of Steyr AUG assault rifles (one of which can be seen in this photograph).

FSA soldiers have been photographed carrying these Austrian-made weapons in a number of areas, most recently in a video which alleged to show a pilot captured from a regime plane.

The Steyr AUG is a standard-issue weapon of the Saudi Arabian military, a fact that has left weapons experts scrabbling to locate details of the rifles’ serial numbers in the hope of identifying their origin.



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Hektor ::Da li ovde treba postaviti snimke iz Afganistana gde polunaoružani neobučeni borci iz zaseda nanose ogromne gubitke najopremljenijoj vojsci na svetu, da bi neki shvatili da od toga potpune odbrane nema. Ono što je jasno svakom ko je služio vojsku, nemora nužno i da bude jasno nekom ko tvrdi da je bio specijalac raznih specijanosti koje i ne postoje. O vojsci i vojnoj taktici se ne uči sa youtuba, nije to bacanje koplja Smile

Niko nije rekao da se to ne dešava i drugde i da se neće dešavati, već sam pokazao kako je SA loše odreagovala i pretrpila znatne gubitke u napadu malo jače naoružanih bandita.

O vojsci i ratu sam učio u ratu, mada rat ne treba da bi se zdravom logikom zakljucilo da tenk ima duže "ruke" i da je SA na postavljenom snimku mogla da ih oduva sa prilično bezbedne udaljenosti sa onim tenkovima koji su bili u koloni.

Rebeli su lepo "zaorali" sa pešadijskim naoružanjem i nije trebalo biti mnogo vidovit da se osmotre položaji sa kojih se dejstvuje, a da su dve tri tenkovske granata pravilno rasporedili, ovi snimci bi teško ikad ugledali svetlo dana, jer ih ne bi imao ko postaviti.

Hektore ne sećam se da sam tebe pitao (niti me zanima) ili bilo koga drugog koji takođe komentarišu dešavanja u Siriji šta su radili, ko su i odakle su. Zamoliću te da sve što te lično o meni zanima kulturno pitaš na PP a ja ću ti u skladu sa mogućnostima ako te toliko bude zanimalo odgovoriti.

Ako ti se ne sviđaju moji kometari na dešavanja u Siriji, zamoliću te ili da ignorišeš moje pisanje ili da prestaneš da me prozivaš.

Modertori, ako smatrate da sam ja jedini koji ovde pravi problem jer imam svoje mišljenje sa kojim se većina ne slaže a ne sećam se da sam ikoga ikada uvredio, kažite mi ili me banujte pa da znam da je ovo jedan forum koji ne trpi suprotna mišljenja od većine. Eto ako smetam uredništvu foruma za rad ja ću se bez problema ukloniti.

Verovao sam da je ovo mesto gde se mogu ukrstit mišljenja bez ovoliko vredjanja i prozivanja. Da sam ja nekoga vređao razumeo bih ali ovako samo mogu da konstatujem da ljude iritira kada se ukaže na greške onih za koje "navijaju" i zbog toga su spremni da vređju, prozivaju i ponižavaju neistmišljenike iako verujem u to, u stvarnom životu za tako nešto ne bi imali hrabrosti.

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vratio mi se jedan dobar prijatelj iz sirije i rekao mi da na strani takozvanih pobunjenika ratuju turski i britanski komandosi,a da je cuo da izrael takodje ima svoje ubacene elemente i da je basar el asad gotov da ima dosta dezertera i da su mu vojsku razvukli kako bi smanjili njenu moc,jedino sto im otezava je njegova avijacija koja ih bombarduje svim i svacim i jaka artiljerija koju masovno koristi.moj prijatelj kaze da je mediski stvorena slika kakva njima odgovarai da na putevima ima nauruzanih bandi da van damaska narocito nocu nije pametno kretati se

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16.08 nova mapa Aleppo

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Sarmada je pala u ruke rebela...
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U.S. Claims Russia Hampering Situation in Syria




The U.S. State Department has once again blamed Russia for hindering the situation in Syria.

State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland made the statement during a briefing in answer to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov's earlier statement that the West is aiding the opposition in order to drag out an armed battle in Syria.

"Well, there's no question that we are endeavoring, through our support to the opposition, to hasten the day when the violence ends, when Assad leaves power and when a democratic transition can begin," Nuland said, adding: "That said, as you know, we tried very hard repeatedly -- three times, in fact -- through the U.N. Security Council to work with Russia to put some teeth behind the U.N. efforts and Kofi Annan's effort to get compliance with his six-point plan. We wanted very much for there to be a penalty, a sanctions penalty in particular, if those six points were not implemented. And Russia, again, vetoed. So you know, I would ask the question who is doing the most now to try to hasten the day?

The 15-member Security Council approved in April the establishment of the UN Supervision Mission in Syria (UNSMIS) with 300 unarmed military observers, to oversee a ceasefire in Syria and monitor the implementation of UN-Arab League Joint Special Envoy Kofi Annan's six-point peace plan.

The mandate of the mission has been extended until August 19 despite the fact that most of the mission's activities have been suspended since June 16 due to escalating violence in the country.
Nuland said the situation in Syria would be discussed in Moscow by Undersecretary Wendy Sherman during her visit, though according to the agenda, the sides would discuss the situation in Iran.

"Well, first let me say that Undersecretary Sherman's primary purpose on her stop in Russia is to work with the Russians on the P-5 plus one process vis-a-vis Iran, which she is the lead American on. And she'll be meeting her counterparts there. Obviously Syria is going to come up. She will say what [U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton] has been saying to Lavrov, what we've been saying at all levels, which is that the Russians themselves have expressed to us, have expressed internationally, grave concerns about this turning into a civil war, turning into a proxy war, spilling beyond borders," Nuland said.

The Syrian conflict has claimed between 14,000 and 20,000 lives since March 2011, according to estimates by various opposition groups and the UN. The West is pushing for Assad’s ouster, while Russia and China are trying to prevent outside interference in the country, claiming the Assad regime and the opposition are both to blame for the bloodshed.

"And we have those exact same concerns. But not allowing the UN to work, not allowing real teeth behind efforts that we've all agreed to -- that we need a transitional structure as the P-5 agreed in Geneva, that we actually need the Kofi Annan plan to have enforcement mechanisms -- is not helping and is not contributing to stopping the violence and containing this crisis so that we can move on and we can rebuild Syria," Nuland added.

Most recently, after regaining control of Damascus, the Syrian Army has continued a large-scale offensive to force rebels out of the northern city of Aleppo, on the border with Turkey.

The government troops on Monday stormed the western neighborhood of Aleppo in a battle that could decide the future of the armed uprising against President Bashar al-Assad.


Izvor: RIA


Ukratko, SAD opet optužuje Rusiju da usporava situaciju u Siriji, tj. da ne pomaže Zapadu u procesu globalnog širenja demokracije...Eh ti Rusi.. Very Happy






Syria rebels warn they will turn to Al-Qaeda if West fails them Mr. Green



The US spy chief has admitted Al-Qaeda might be behind recent suicide bombings in Syria. While rebels threaten they will have to make an alliance with jihadists if they don’t see more help from the West.
The Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, while testifying before the Senate Armed Services, has acknowledged that blasts in Syrian cities since last December “had all the earmarks of an Al-Qaeda-like attack”.

"We believe Al-Qaeda in Iraq is extending its reach into Syria," Clapper told the Senate.

The Iraqi government confirmed ealier that Al Qaeda has been crossing from Iraq into Syria to carry out attacks on government forces.

At the beginning of the Syrian internal conflict the rebels relied primarily on small arms but over the months they have become increasingly more sophisticated in bomb-making.
Wednesday’s bombing in Damascus, meters from the UN mission headquarters, put the international jihadists into the media spotlight. Syrian rebels have openly admitted they were behind the attack, but the extensive use of explosives they have been using lately might point at more experienced jihadists from other countries, probably Iraq, where they mastered their terror tactics and bomb-making skills on civilians and US soldiers.

In the Free Syrian Army there are entire brigades that are being armed, paid and commanded by the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), an organization considered an Al Qaeda affiliate by the UN. The US State Department and the UK Home Office both regard it as a terrorist organization as well.
‘West pushes us to Al-Qaeda’

The Free Syrian Army insurgents stick to the demand that western support for them is insufficient. The rebels point out they have to deal with the regular Syrian army which has anything from mortars and tanks to fighter jets and assault helicopters at its disposal – and does not hesitate to use them.

So the rebels demand more arms and more western support. Theoretically, they might be satisfied with establishing a no-fly zone over Syria. That would enable them to repeat the Libyan scenario, where special forces from various countries were doing the job of ousting Muammar Gaddafi while local rebels were starring on western media as “true victors over an evil regime”.

But since the US leadership remains ponderous over how to introduce a no-fly zone over Syria as America is engrossed in the presidential campaign, the Syrian rebels’ feelings have been seriously hurt. Laughing

"We don't want Al-Qaeda here, but if nobody else helps us, we will make an alliance with them," (to mi nije jasno...napravit će savez sami s sobom? Smile ) suggests Abu Ammar, a rebel commander in the city of Aleppo.

"And you can bet if Al-Qaeda comes here, they will brainwash the people,” Ammar told AFP. “If Al-Qaeda enters Aleppo, the city will become their base within three months.”

Despite the obvious signs of international terrorist organizations battling the regime of President Bashar Assad, the Syrian government finds itself further isolated as the Organization of Islamic Cooperation has suspended Syria's membership. The move is supposed to send a 'strong message' to Damascus, which the group sees as the only culprit behind hostilities in Syria.

Another international body, the Arab League, expelled Syria from its ranks last year.

The Arab countries are showing a united front in dealing with the “apostate” Alawi regime in Syria, yet the money and arms they pump into Syrian rebels might end up in the hands of radical Islamist movements that appear to be working to steal the thunder in the Syrian conflict.
What many in the west fail to recognize is that Islamic terrorism is not necessarily a derogative term, it is a descriptive term to denote a guerrilla warfare tactic that justifies the use of terror and violence for achieving political goals.

The Syrian rebels are already starting to fear the political agenda of extreme jihadists that flock into their country. The aggressive tactics the intruders effectively use might soon give the Syrian rebels the choice of either joining foreign extremists in ousting the regime and building an Islamists state in Syria, or confronting them to build a “better Syria without Assad”. The example of a “better Libya without Gaddafi”, where tribal wars have become routine amid a drop in living standards, might be standing straight and tall in front of their eyes.

Izvor: RT



Ukratko, govore o tome da kad izgube borbu s sirijskom vojskom, da će se kompletno okrenuti ka terorističkim djelatnostima, tj. bombaškim napadima na škole, bolnice, dječje vrtiće i sl.

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Pa sta je to neko selo uz granicu sa Turskom koliko vidim?

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Harasta Damascus



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Ovde niko koliko primećujem ne reaguje na različito mišljenje, jer ono je dobrodošlo. Ovde se reaguje na "stručne " kometare lica koji su se toliko kompromitovali izjavama da su specijalci -gerilci, stručnjaci za borbu protiv oklopa, u sadejstvu sa oklopom, i padobranci istovremeno. Dakle, nekima koji se ovde stvarno bave vojnim pozivom takve detinjarije smetaju...

ako se okači snimak, sa komentarom da je u pitanju prekaljeni borac, a evidentno je da čak ni pušku ne drži pravilno, jasno je da ni on ni onaj koji video komentarišu nemaju puno predznanja.

Inače, Asad je dobio čisto nebo, a to ne mora da znači da je to i dovoljan uslov za pobedu. Pobunu ne može da smiri ni NATO u Afganistanu, pa neće ni Asad uspeti u Siriji, ali je bitno da li će uspeti da je svede na nivo koji može da se podnese.
Inače mnogima je tek sada postalo jasno koliko smo mi 99 imali ozbiljnu vojsku i struku, jer se pred bombardovanje za nekoliko meseci uradilo ono đto druge opremljanije vojske ne mogu ni godinama.

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