Specijalna operacija RF, LNR i DNR u Ukrajini

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Specijalna operacija RF, LNR i DNR u Ukrajini

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Radi se o ljudima a ovdje navijamo da lincuju ajdarovce najgorim metodama ,sta je sa forumom ,dajte uzobiljite se.Svakako ce ih snaci sta su zasluzili ali pretjerujete.Po meni je gori neki ruski zatvor u toplome Sibiru.Smrt je poklon takvima a mi se ovime izjednacavamo sa njima ,sto rusi sigurno nece uraiti.

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Sve vezano za ovaj rat je velika geostrateška igra sa dugoročnim posledicama.Nisam siguran da rusima
odgovara baš brz završetak rata.Čekaće da efekti krize koja i te kako pogađa Evropu nagrize nato iznutra
i omogući im bolju poziciju u raspodeli uticaja.Ovaj "račak" u Ukrajini ima za cilj da slomi nemačko a i drugih
opiranje dubljoj konfrotaciji koji usa oligarhija priželkuje.

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Vodom navuces vlagu, runi se beton, masine zahrdjaju...lakse onda to zagrnuti bagerima i zaboravis i na fabriku i naciste.
Ako ih vec "sjave" unutra jednostavno treba sacekati da im nestane hrane.

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Wrangler da je ovo ona ista vojska iz 2014 u kojoj i ako je bilo nacista bilo je malo davnih dana bi ovo bilo gotovo na žalost ima tu među njima dosta normalne obične raje ima i onih koji su prisilno mobilisani možda bi se i predali al je problem što većinu današnje ZSU čine nacionalisti jer ako oće da se preda ubiće ga ovak ako se nastavi boriti ubiće ga onaj teško je biti pametan. Na žalost ako je verovati onim ruskim izveštaima do sad svega 1500 ukra koji su položili oružje ima na drugoj temi snimak koji sam okačio i sinoć i danas su se predale dve manje grupice u Mariupolju. Bar što se grada tiče u narednim danima će toga biti još za drugi deo boišta će mo videti borbe traju polamo se napreduje pa dok negde ne pukne.
I samo da dodam ljudi na ovaj rat gledaju kao na COD ili Betlfild ne ide to kao u igrici čuj onog Mariupolj još nije pao kao da je to neka misija u COD-u od 10 min igre a ne grad od skoro 350 000 stanovnika pun civila kojeg brani fanatičnih 10-15 000 odlučnih vojnika. Za 25 dana su uzeli 90% grada uništili brdo neprijatelja naneli mu značajne gubitk u tehnici a ponajviše u ljudstvu biće nešta sitno i zarobljeh uz istotako velike žrtve na drugoj strani koje se i ne pokazuju vratite se XY strana unazad na snimak koji sam postavio kad BMP pogodi sa RPO i još pritom strada 4-5 vojnika DBR za njih nema restart pa ponovo misija kao ni za one ukre sa druge strane koji leže mrtvi po putevima po zgradama rat je gine se skupo će latiti ADNR Mariupolj al že ukri još skuplje.

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@Simon simonović

Зашто мобилизација? Па тренутно на одслужењу војног рока имају 400 000 људи.

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flokac ::kako se moze procitati ovo osim da se covjek predplati

Citat:
Despite risks and official warnings, U.S. veterans join Ukrainian war effort
By Dan Lamothe, Alex Horton, Peter Hermann and Jonathan Baran
March 11, 2022 at 4:00 a.m. EST


Lane Perkins arrived at the Ukraine-Poland border last week to a crush of traffic. Cars and buses crammed with refugees rolled west. Ambulances and foreign fighters, like him, ventured east.

To the south, near Ukraine’s border with Romania, Zachary Burgart and Mark Turner wrapped up a six-day mission that began with delivering medical supplies and took an unexpected turn when authorities, suspicious that the two Americans were Russian saboteurs, arrested and interrogated them.

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They are among the wave of U.S. military veterans who, despite warnings from the Biden administration, have inserted themselves into a foreign war. Some, like Perkins, want to take on the Russians directly. Others, including Burgart and Turner, have sought less risky ways to get involved, offering military and first-aid training, hauling humanitarian supplies, and setting up contacts for future American volunteers to assist Ukrainians.

“This,” said Perkins, a Navy veteran who resides in San Diego, “is a noble cause.”

Former U.S. sailor now in Ukraine for 'a righteous cause'
Navy veteran Lane Perkins says he traveled thousands of miles and missed his son’s second birthday to cross the Ukrainian border and join a group of fighters. (Video: The Washington Post, Photo: The Washington Post)
While President Biden has said repeatedly and emphatically that U.S. troops will not be pulled into the conflict, the government of President Volodymyr Zelensky has actively recruited Western military veterans to join its newly formed International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine. An estimated 20,000 foreigners have expressed interest, the Ukrainians say. About 4,000 are Americans, said an official with the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the issue is seen as highly sensitive in Washington. It’s unclear how many may follow through.

Zelensky, having rallied world leaders, shames them for not joining the fight

Americans’ involvement in the war will probably stretch beyond Zelensky’s foreign legion, however. Some, like Perkins, are interested in joining other Ukrainian groups that come with fewer strings attached. While certain outfits require applicants to surrender their passports and make a long-term commitment, others allow volunteers to leave if they need to return home for family and work obligations, he said.

But regardless which group Americans may join, they face significant risk. A Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Igor Konashenkov, has characterized outsiders aiding Ukrainian forces as “mercenaries,” saying anyone who is caught “at best” can expect “to be prosecuted as criminals.”

The Biden administration has strongly discouraged American military veterans from joining the fight. Instead, Pentagon spokesman John Kirby has suggested it would be wiser to donate to agencies responding to the humanitarian crisis.

“We still do not believe that Ukraine is a safe place for Americans to go,” Kirby told reporters at the Pentagon. “We urge them not to go. And if any are still there, we urge them to leave.”

Russia’s invasion began with precision missiles, but weapons are changing as siege war begins

In interviews, U.S. veterans detailed a variety of motivations for joining the effort. Some expressed horror at imagery appearing to show Russian forces indiscriminately bombing Ukrainian civilians. Others said they want to prove themselves in combat after missing out on such opportunities during their military careers.

“For me personally, this feels so unprovoked,” said Burgart, who saw combat in Iraq while serving in elite Marine Corps reconnaissance units. “It’s just insanity to me. I don’t want insane people to be able to do insane things in the world.”

'My heart called me to service': Minnesota veteran on why he has plans to go to Ukraine
Former South Dakota Guardsman Brady Atherton told Post reporters he never saw combat and wants to use his background to assist Ukrainian humanitarian efforts. (Video: Jonathan Baran/The Washington Post, Photo: The Washington Post)
The practice of Americans intervening on another nation’s battlefield dates back generations, said David Malet, who studies foreign fighter movements as a professor at American University in Washington. He cited such involvement in the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s, the Israeli war for independence in the late 1940s, and the more recent campaign against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

Generally, becoming a foreign fighter is legal in the United States, Malet said. So long as Americans do not take up arms for a violent group that opposes the U.S. government, there are few restrictions.

But in a war as volatile and complex as this one, the direct involvement of Americans could come with unintended consequences, Malet said, expressing concern that some may be tempted to join far-right Ukrainian militias, or wind up captured or killed. Either scenario would give Russian President Vladimir Putin a significant propaganda victory and potentially arouse support within Russia for an attack on NATO countries. The worst-case scenario, Malet warned, is an incident that helps propel the United States to join the conflict.

In Putin, intelligence analysts see an isolated leader who underestimated the West but could lash out if cornered


Ukrainian volunteers participate in military training in Lviv, Ukraine, on March 6. (Kai Pfaffenbach/Reuters)
Already, Ukraine’s recruitment pitch has caused some waves in the United States.

In recent days, three U.S. military veterans carrying weapons and attempting to join the war effort have been detained outside the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington, police said.

In one instance, two men were arrested after authorities grew concerned about them standing outside the embassy and stopped their vehicle as they drove away. One of them, Stephen Jay Struthers, 49, was arraigned after police found he had a shotgun, brass knuckles, a machete and other weapons in the car.

In another case, Angel Raymond Luna, 30, was arrested outside the embassy after police noticed him putting on body armor and standing at attention while draped in an American flag, according to a police affidavit. He pleaded guilty Monday to a single count of attempting to carry or possess an illegal firearm, a misdemeanor, and received a 45-day suspended jail sentence, six months of unsupervised probation and a requirement to complete 30 hours of community service.

Luna said in an interview that he once deployed on a peacekeeping mission to Kosovo, but he “has never had a real chance to defend” the United States. A military spokesman, Lt. Col. Matthew Handley, confirmed Luna’s deployment and said he served as a supply specialist in the North Carolina National Guard from July 2011 to February 2019.

“I don’t know how I could look myself in the mirror if I didn’t go,” Luna said. “I don’t want to die, but this is my belief, my values.”

Ukraine’s military adapts tactics after enduring Russia’s initial invasion

Born in the Army town of Fayetteville, N.C., Luna settled in Nebraska after leaving the military and was working in a Walmart warehouse when Russia invaded Ukraine. He packed his belongings, stopped in North Carolina to see friends, then traveled to Washington with two firearms, tourniquets and other supplies, he said.

Luna arrived at the embassy about 3:20 a.m. and decided to stand at attention outside overnight as a sign of respect. At the last second, he also slipped on his body armor. “That was stupid,” he assessed, noting that it caught the attention of Secret Service officers.

Luna still intends to go to Ukraine, though he may have to complete his community service first.

“I dropped everything, including my job,” he said. “ … As a veteran, I have to do something.”


Lane Perkins, in yellow, aboard the USS John P. Murtha in 2016. (Lane Perkins)
Perkins, the Navy veteran, expressed a similar sentiment. To get to Ukraine, he traveled thousands of miles from Southern California, missing his son’s second birthday. But the sight of the chaotic border crossing, he said from the western city of Lviv, was validation that he had made the right choice.

Many of the other U.S. veterans Perkins has met in Ukraine served in combat, he said. As a former Navy boatswain’s mate, he has not.

Perkins said he wanted to join the Kurdish-led fight against ISIS in Syria but was too young at that war’s zenith. Aspirations of joining the French Foreign Legion were derailed to start a family, he said. The war in Ukraine has arrived at a moment he could put his sense of righteousness to work, Perkins said, despite the corresponding family hardships.

Perkins emphasized that many volunteers are headed to noncombat roles, underscoring the need for specialties that reach beyond fighting. Some are focused on first aid. Others volunteered to pluck children and the elderly from besieged areas and spirit them to safety across the border.

Angelique Osmon, a college student and Army veteran, also thinks the risks are worth it.

As a soldier, she deployed once each to Iraq and Afghanistan while serving as a generator mechanic from June 2009 to December 2015, said Madison Bonzo, an Army spokeswoman. After leaving the military, Osmon assisted Kurdish forces against the Islamic State as a foreign fighter, she said. She now plans to travel to Ukraine through Poland.

“As a Jew, we’re called to repair the world, and this is really the only way I know how,” she said, calling herself a “part-time freedom fighter.”

Veteran and 'part-time freedom fighter' shares her plan to fight for Ukraine
After she left the military, U.S. Army veteran Anja Osmon went to Iraq to fight against the Islamic State. Now she says she will volunteer in Ukraine. (Video: Jonathan Baran/The Washington Post, Photo: The Washington Post)
Osmon said that she could be assigned in a city or “in the trenches” in a forest outside Kyiv, Ukraine’s capital. She is part of a group called the Legion of Lviv Lions, she said. She knows she will need body armor and a rifle and plans to obtain them after arriving in Europe. Stories have circulated of Americans having their body armor confiscated while traveling.

“We know that we will be given a weapon, but as far as the other gear, we will have to source that ourselves,” she said, speaking earlier this month from her home in Denison, Tex. “I think that there will be an influx of volunteers, some of them good, some of them not so much.”

In some cases, personal ties also matter.

Turner and Burgart, the Marine Corps veterans, said they traveled after Yuri Shpylei, a Ukrainian American friend from their jujitsu gym, decided he wanted to see his family. The trio flew from Chicago on Feb. 27, three days after the invasion, arriving in Bucharest before making their way over the border from Romania. They stopped at five drugstores, amassing boxes of medical supplies that they carried into Ukraine on foot.

Burgart said that he and Turner relied on their shared background in military reconnaissance to set up points of contact in Ukraine to help other Americans coordinate. People in Shpylei’s hometown were comfortable with them, but they were arrested while scouting for a potential warehouse in a neighboring community. Authorities there had detained four suspected Russian saboteurs that morning, they told the Americans.

“A cop car nearly slammed into the front of our car, and they ran at us with AKs,” Burgart said, using shorthand for the ubiquitous Kalashnikov service rifle. “After that interrogation, they hugged us, thanked us and told us how much they appreciated Americans coming out on short notice.”

They spoke with The Washington Post from Romania, after departing Ukraine, saying that, while they will not become foreign fighters, they intend to return and help in other capacities.

“Service to me isn’t just to country, it’s to people,” Turner said. “We have a skill set to help people, and it wouldn’t sit right just sitting at home and knowing that you could help.”

Baran reported from San Francisco.

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Krize ce biti, i da rat sutra stane nece sancije plus sto su se Rusi nameracili srusiti ovakav svjetski poredak pa nece ni oni tako lako odustati od protivmjera sto produbljuje krizu.
Meni ovaj sukob lici na izgovor da bi se izazvala globalna kriza i nestasica.
Prvo smo imali koronu sad ovo, sve mi to lici na namjerno izazivanje nestasice i poskupljenja.

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Ako neko zna dobro ruski, je li ovo ovome muceniku njegova rodjena baba?

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Babarogo ovaj se raspravlja sa babom jer neće da kaže Slava Ukraini nego Slava Rusiji.

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Wrangler ::Punto
Krize ce biti, i da rat sutra stane nece sancije plus sto su se Rusi nameracili srusiti ovakav svjetski poredak pa nece ni oni tako lako odustati od protivmjera sto produbljuje krizu.
Meni ovaj sukob lici na izgovor da bi se izazvala globalna kriza i nestasica.
Prvo smo imali koronu sad ovo, sve mi to lici na namjerno izazivanje nestasice i poskupljenja.


O da, jedino sto ce Evropa najvise nagrabusiti ovde a narod iste, pa cak ni ovi bez ulja ne razume to.

Bice zanimljivo videti gde ce se nalaziti srednji sloj 2030-te u Evropi naspram na 2010-tu ili maks 2015-tu recimo.

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