Chengdu J-10

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zixo ::Nesto mi je to neverovatno da Su-30 ne moze da otkrije J-10. Ne verujem da je njegov RCS bas tako mali. Plus SU-30 ima pasivni IC sistem otkrivanja.

Ma pusti ih, nek lazu sami sebe ako im to treba da se osecaju dobro

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Of course this is just forum, but still we would like to know more details about the excercise. For an example Tuphon has defeatet on different ocasions F-15 and Su-30. J-10 is similar to Tuphon but we know that they still aren't on same level when it comes to... name it...
And I can't belive that Su-30 didn't pick up radar emision from J-10.
If they have said that J10 came within 20 or 30 km undetected in "silent" mode (radar off) I would belive it. To lock on target several times without being detected if we are talking about BVR???

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Chinese have simulated J-10 against SU-30s many times, J-10s have emerged as victors. Russians will start jumping on me but this is a fact. Vietnamese SU-30 have also been locked more than twice. This has been accepted by Viets too. No one is saying SU is inferior but this has occurred.

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Napisano: 07 Avg 2011 10:16

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Citat:The fight against the MKK was not a mock airfight. What happened was that the Su-30s, primarily used by the PLAAF and PLANAF for ground attack, were simulating a loaded strike against the command base and the J-10s were supposed to intercept them. One of the Su-30s piloted by China's best Su-30s escaped. The military actually ruled in the Su-30 pilots' favor since one of the planes got away and could potentially have destroyed the command post.

Basically, what you have described now , doesnt have much in common with your first statement:

Citat:J-10 is a very potent aircraft. In 2006, in it's most primitive form it was pitted against Su-27SK in a PLAAF exercise, the J-10 finsished with flying colours, killing all enemies without even being detected!
4:0 to the J-10 and not J-10A either!
In 2009 J-10A (upgraded air dominance variant) beat the J-11A 13:1!!!
Given that the J-11A has beaten the Su-30MKK/MK2, J-10A is currently PLAAF's best operational plane for A2A engagements.

In that scenario SU-30 was a "bomb truck" , and J-10 faild to complete the mission.
SU-30 definitely detected and knew where J-10 was because , "he escaped" from him.
How can you escape from something you don`t know that is out there?

Dopuna: 07 Avg 2011 10:25

nabil05 ::Chinese have simulated J-10 against SU-30s many times, J-10s have emerged as victors. Russians will start jumping on me but this is a fact. Vietnamese SU-30 have also been locked more than twice. This has been accepted by Viets too. No one is saying SU is inferior but this has occurred.

It would bee nice from you to give some credible information to back up that fact.

If Viets accepted that J-10 locked more than twice, that means they were aware of their presence, and that also means they could track J-10 with their passive OLS or radar.

Nothing special about it

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Пакистански стручњаци су рекли да је Ј10А по аеродинамици,маневрбилности, електроници и авионици у рангу са Ф16 блок 25,а знамо како је бољи Ф16 прошо против Су30МКИ. Ј10Б има мањи одраз са предедње полусвере и АЕСА радар и побољшану електронику. Бољи Ф16 је се поклонио пред СУ30МКИ,а авион који је у рабгу са авионом старим 30година

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Those "Lantirn" pods are operational?

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Napisano: 07 Aug 2011 14:29

su47berkut ::Пакистански стручњаци су рекли да је Ј10А по аеродинамици,маневрбилности, електроници и авионици у рангу са Ф16 блок 25,а знамо како је бољи Ф16 прошо против Су30МКИ. Ј10Б има мањи одраз са предедње полусвере и АЕСА радар и побољшану електронику. Бољи Ф16 је се поклонио пред СУ30МКИ,а авион који је у рабгу са авионом старим 30година

if j10b was just a low level f16 replacement , paf would have gone for more newer f16s as the u.s congress has already allowed sales to paf

PHASE1 - JFT BLK1 INDUCTION
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there are 3 factors

range/payload [jft lack here has it is not a medium weight fighter]
avionics [jft is at par with early block 30/40 f16s ]
menouverability [jft blk 1 has defeated f16a ,which is the most menouverable f16 version , many times]


PHASE2 -F16 MLU AND NEW FIGHTER INDUCTION
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as paf has 30 years of experience with f16s , it was important to mlu them.
new f16s were bought to understand the technology to transfer to j10b

PHASE3 - EVALUATION AND UPGRADATION OF J10B BASED ON INDIAN DEAL
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j10a was rejected by paf has its capabilities were equal to blk40 f16s and it lacked sensor fusion which was an important requirement of paf

paf gave info and specifications regarding f16 blk60 [uae] and typhoon [saudi] and thus became a part of j10a upgradation team -- j10b was then developed based exclusively on paf requirements

important tech. was transferred from j20 as it is also made by CAC , alongwith jft


PHASE4 - JFT BLK2 INDUCTION
PHASE5 - 5TH G INDUCTION
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the 2 prime ministers talked about j20 deal -- however CAC insiders talked about joint design and production of a single engined 5th g fighter

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Those "Lantirn" pods are operational?

jft operated wmd7

its capability is inbetween the lantrin and sniper pods used by paf




i imagine by the time j10b is operation with paf , we will have a pod , equal to the sniper pod

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nabil05 ::Chinese have simulated J-10 against SU-30s many times
No doubt.

Citat:J-10s have emerged as victors
It's a real possibility, but still we would like some more information.

Citat:Russians will start jumping on me but this is a fact.
No Russian lawyer here.

Citat:Vietnamese SU-30 have also been locked more than twice. This has been accepted by Viets too. No one is saying SU is inferior but this has occurred.
Despite obvious disadvantage when we compare RCS of boat jet, Su-30MK should have enough powerful and capable radar.

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sivisoko ::Napisano: 07 Avg 2011 10:16

It would bee nice from you to give some credible information to back up that fact.

If Viets accepted that J-10 locked more than twice, that means they were aware of their presence, and that also means they could track J-10 with their passive OLS or radar.

Nothing special about it

Who said J-10 was not detected? The thing is that J-10 had the better of SU-30, thats it.