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F-35 Joint Strike Fighter

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The Myth of Declining F-35 Prices (***Corrected 3)
Arrow http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/fea.....rices.html
Citat:In fact, the real LRIP Lot 6 unit cost ($ 230.3 million) is fully 19.6% higher than the Lot 5 unit cost ($192.6 million) according to our analysis of DoD contract data.
Citat:The Pentagon’s method of awarding F-35 contracts, which is illustrated by our tables, seems to be specifically devised to confuse anyone attempting to make some sense of the huge sums being awarded to Lockheed Martin and to Pratt a Whitney, the engine prime contractor. For no other major contract are the engines contracted separately, as for the F-35, and for no other program has it been considered necessary to award, and to publicly announce, 28 contracts for a single production lot.
Furthermore, the way the contracts are split seems to follow no rational process. Why, for example, did the JPO find it necessary to award three separate Lot 6 contracts on Sept. 28, 2012? And why did it end up awarding six separate Lot 6 contracts between Aug 11 and Aug 27, 2014, a period of just over two weeks?

Natezanja šta je de facto cena za jedan avion. Mr. Green



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E to su prave svinjarije u vezi JSF programa a ne da li moze da sleti na nosac, da li je dobar u bliskoj borbi i za tepanje talibana.



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Sve prodaju odvojeno, motor, naoružanje, avioniku... Pa nije čudo da su golog skresali u okvire "normalne" cene.

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ако је ово тачно што горе пише, да један кошта 230 милиона долара...па ако тако наставе има да их буде мање од 500 комада у америчкој војсци (морнарица, мариници, авијација). Претераше га са ценом....

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Što se tiče jurišnika koji su namenjeni CAS, još od Štuke i Šturmovika postavljene su osnove. Koncept je dalje razvijan tokom poslednjih 70 godina. Naravno da višenamenski avioni mogu obavljati niz zadataka, koje su nekad vršili lovci, presretači i bombarderi, ali još nisam čuo da je neko rekao 'e to je zamena za klasične jurišnike'. Možda jurišnici izumru zbog novih PVO sistema, ali nekako će se morati zameniti. Ne bih više trošio reči.

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Cena i problemi su sramota, koja samo pokazuje koliko je ceo sistem truo. Setimo se samo filozofije koja je bukvalno ugrobarila mnoge pilote, jer je neko od onih koji se nešto pitao doneo odluku da F-4 nema top. Glupost očigledno ima svoj način da preživi. Imali bi manje problema i troškova da su napravili dva odvoje projekta. Da su razvijali višenamenski 'nevidljivi' avion po ugledu na F/A-18 SH za ARMY i NAVI, jer argument armije o jednomotorcima ne stoji. Zašto su onda nabavili toliko F-15? A pored toga motor koji su samo trebali dalje da razvijaju je već dugo u upotrebi F-414. Na drugoj strani trebali su da razviju 'nevidljivi' avion na bazi iskustva sa Herijerima i recimo dokumentacije Jak 141. Za oba projekta našli bi sasvim dovoljno saveznika. Ako je za Super Hornet dovoljna samo Australija ...

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Citat:A Look at F-35 Close Air Support Tactics Development

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter — a stealthy, high-tech, fifth-generation strike fighter — may also become a major player in close-air support (CAS) missions. Last week, we talked with the US Air Force general who is leading the testing and preparation for the CAS mission.

Let’s get the disclaimer out of the way: the military aviation community is divided as to whether the F-35 can be an effective CAS platform. A lot comes down to the relative merits of fast-jet CAS versus the kind of low-to-the-ground, persistent CAS practiced by the A-10 or AC-130. (We wrote more about this in January.) Neither side is willing to give ground — perhaps understandably, because the question can truly be answered only when ground troops, under fire, call for help.

Some members of Congress, including incoming Senate Armed Services Committee chair Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., argue that jets such as the F-15 or B-1 bomber are simply too high and move too fast to be effective. Members of the A-10 community point out that the Warthog can go “low and slow” in a way that something like the F-35 will never be able to do, avoiding potential friendly fire incidents like the one that occurred this summer. That’s an argument backed up by the Tactical Air Control Party Association, which supports keeping the A-10 around to protect ground forces.

But right or wrong, the Air Force is still planning to make the F-35 a key part of its CAS operations. Which means someone needs to develop those tactics before the jet goes operational sometime in the second half of 2016.

Helping to drive that work is Maj. Gen. Jay Silveria, who commands the USAF Warfare Center at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada. Silveria, the highest-ranking officer yet checked out on the F-35, sat down with a small group of reporters on Dec. 5 to talk about flying the jet and how his team is testing and developing tactics for the fifth-generation fighter.

At one point, Silveria was asked about whether the jet will likely rely on its gun or its precision guided munitions (PGMs) more for CAS operations.

Silveria said, “I think, so far, it looks like the PGMs will be more useful in the CAS role, but we have not really completed all of the operational testing on the CAS.”

(Side note: This is where the A-10 community points to a 2009 Pentagon document that defines “danger close” range for forces standing on the ground, the range at which there is an increased chance of friendly fire. That range is 200 meters for a GBU-39 Small Diameter Bomb, a weapon the F-35 will carry. For the A-10’s gun, “danger close” is listed at 90 meters. The argument that follows is that relying on bombs increases the chance of friendly fire.)

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Silveria went on to a lengthy discussion about CAS and the F-35. Here’s a transcription, cleaned up a bit for clarity:

Q: Are you seeing any concerns about using the F-35 for CAS?

A. [The F-35] is going to be able to do the CAS mission effectively. We’ve already executed on the ranges at night and at day, able to receive targets from terminal air controllers on the ground and able to attack and prosecute targets within timeframes that are well acceptable in a battlefield situation. So we’ve already seen that. Which means, if we’re already seeing it now, I know it’s going to get better.

The beauty of fusion is — it brings all the data together and it fuses it, but what that really does for you is time. I didn’t have to process it between my ears, but the airplane can now fuse it all together. And much [more quickly], the data fusion is available on a target, it can be targeted, a munition can delivered much, much quicker than in a 4th-gen where you would have to interpret the data, move it to another sensor, move it to a targeting system, then determine a target. The fusion makes it much quicker. So if we’re doing it now, the fusion is going to only make it much quicker.

Q: How much time do you gain from fusion?

A. That’s a harder question… Here’s a better way to describe it: in this airplane, in the F-35, I’ve done some CAS in the daytime with an A-10 weapons school instructor who is an F-35 instructor now. He gets me pointed in the general direction of a target on the ground and I use my helmet. I put my helmet over there, and with one-switch actualization all my sensors now look at that spot. Just like that, instantly.

Now, in a 4th-gen plane, I would have to get a sensor worked over to there. I would have to get information off of that sensor. I would have to move that information somewhere else in the airplane and then I would target it. So when I put my helmet over there and I went one-switch actualization, all of my sensors went to that spot and everything in the airplane said, “OK, we’re ready to go.” So all I had to do was get in a weapons solution and release on that spot I found on the ground. Whereas if I was in an F-16, if I got a sensor on there, whether I got a targeting pod or something else, I would have to take that information and then turn it into a target in the system.

We’re talking about minutes. Which matters a lot. Seconds are going to count in a close air support situation, so it’s much faster.

Q: Is your assumption that most CAS will be done with an external weapons load?

A. We’re not necessarily making assumptions in the CAS on the weapons load. We are developing tactics on how best to prosecute a target on the ground. But clearly when we write those tactics, external payloads, we’ve had the tradeoff discussion here; external payloads come with a tradeoff of LO [low observability], of weight, etc.

It depends on the scenario. If you’re in a scenario, say early in a conflict where you expect air to air threat and surface to air threat, then you are going to use and rely on your internal carriage and your LO capabilities of the airplane. And the fact your weapons load is less because it doesn’t have external, you’re gaining that tin the early parts of a conflict. Then in the scenario I described the surface to air threats or air to air threats are held back and contained, so now an air component commander doesn’t necessarily need the LO capability of the airplane and then may decide to configure it differently in that situation. So I think what the airplane will do will then provide that LO when you need it and when you don’t obviously you can do something different.

We’re not there yet. We’re not developing [tactics] on the external load.

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Is there anything super-surprising in there? Not particularly. But as someone who is checked out on the F-35 and flies it somewhat regularly, Silveria is worth a close listen.


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Italy, Turkey Selected for F-35 European Maintenance
Arrow http://www.defensenews.com/article/20141211/DEFREG.....aintenance
Citat:Italy’s existing Final Assembly and Check out (FACO) facility will provide heavy airframe maintenance for Europe, with the UK potentially gaining extra business in the future if Italy cannot handle the workload. Turkey, meanwhile, will be the first of three European heavy engine maintenance facilities to come online, eventually followed by Norway and the Netherlands.
Citat:Both Italy and Turkey have been told to have their facilities up and running by 2018. But while Italy will be the sole provider of the heavy airframe work in Europe – the UK will only get that work if Italy’s FACO responsibilities grow to the point the facility has overflow maintenance – Turkey will eventually have to split the engine maintenance with Norway and the Netherlands.
Citat:It also gives Bogdan a chance to compete the three nations against each other. While each country is guaranteed a minimum amount of work that matches the number of F-35 jets purchased domestically, the work from other regional nations will be competed based on price, capability and workmanship.
Osnovi ugovori sa svima su takvi, da jim u istinu ne garantiraju posao, nego samo mogućnost. Ipak je na kraju kapitalizam..za neke...

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F-35, Competitors Equally Capable for Most Missions: Report

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@acatomic
manimo se tih foteljaša. Naravno da će nove tehnologije doneti napredak. DAS i EOTS se razvijaju za F-35, ali jednom kad neka tehnologija postane dostupan ona se može dalje prilagođavati drugim platformama. Sve zavisi od potrebe i novca. Ja ne znam o kakvim minutima on govori. Zar Snajper nišanski kontejner ne nudi u realnom vremenu praćenje i napad na mete. Very Happy


Još oni razmišljaju kako bi mogli F-35 da koriste za CAS misije. Za te misije za koje ga spremaju već se koriste avioni 4-te generacije.


Evo kada CAS neće moći da pruži F-35. Da neće možda baciti bombu od 115, 225, 460 ili 925 kg tamo gde se dejstvuje topovima po neprijatelju? Laughing

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@Leonardo

Kakav crni foteljas, bivsi instruktor na Strike Eagle-u.

Ratovi u kojima A-10 moze da koristi top su skoro uvek protiv daleko inferiornijeg protivnika koji nema krsen pvo. Ajde bas da vidim da koristi top protiv kolone tenkova ili pesadijske formacije koju stiti na primer TOR.

Dakle ako se radi o ISIS-u onda da, A-10 je bolja opcija, ako se radi o Iranu A-10 nece moci da vidi ratista dok nisu sigurni da su uklonjeni TOR i HAWK i drugi manji sistemi.

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