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Poslao: 03 Feb 2017 20:57
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Da ali šta sve ulazi u tu cenu a šta će se plaćati. OK motor kako kaže ulazi u tu cenu to ranije nije bio slučaj. Ali i šta još, od opreme bilo bi lepo znati
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Poslao: 04 Feb 2017 08:56
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How much the F-35 Really Cost?
 http://defense-update.com/20140103_much-f-35-really-costs.html
Citat:“The 2014 procurement cost for 19 F-35As will be $2.989 billion. However, we need to add to that the “long lead” money for the 2014 buy that was appropriated in 2013; that was $293 million, making a total of $3.282 billion for 19 aircraft in 2014. The math for unit cost comes to $172.7 million for each aircraft.
To be fully accurate, however, we should add the additional procurement money authorized for “modification of aircraft” for F-35As for 2014; that means $158 million more, bringing the total unit production cost to $181 million per copy.
Citat:None of that includes the 2014 R&D bill for the F-35A; that was $816 million.
Citat:For the Marines B, or STOVL, model, the authorized 2014 buy is six (6) aircraft for $1.267 billion in 2014 procurement, $106 million in 2013 long lead money, and $147 million in 2014 aircraft procurement modifications. That calculates to $252.3 million for each one, according to Wheeler.
For the Navy’s C, carrier-capable (but not yet), model, we get four (4) aircraft for $1.135 billion, plus $32 million in long lead, plus $31 million in modifications. That means $299.5 million for each one.
Kod f-35 je praksa da se u cenu koja se prezentira ne uključe svi troškovi. U tom pogledu sigurno svi dodatni troškovi razvoja. Pošto je to Amerika, LM neće to da plati nego neko drugi. U Rusiji je druga stvar. Razvoj Su-27 su platili Kina i Indija, Su-34 i Su-35 je platila sama Rusija i u ceni nema troškova razvoja.
Tako da je pominjane cene oko 100 miljona dolara trolovanje.
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Poslao: 04 Feb 2017 17:51
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Pa naravno da će biti uništenih, ali kako je pisalo u onom prethodnom tekstu:
The F-35A’s kill ratio stands at 15 aggressors to 1 F-35 killed in action, but because Red Flag is a training exercise, the fighter shouldn’t have a perfect record, he contended.
To je i više nego dobro. E sada ipak je to vežba...
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+ ...How much the F-35 Really Cost?
Arrow defense-update.com/20140103_much-f-35-really-costs.html
Citat:“The 2014 procurement cost for 19 F-35As will be $2.989 billion. However, we need to add to that the “long lead” money for the 2014 buy that was appropriated in 2013; that was $293 million, making a total of $3.282 billion for 19 aircraft in 2014. The math for unit cost comes to $172.7 million for each aircraft.
To be fully accurate, however, we should add the additional procurement money authorized for “modification of aircraft” for F-35As for 2014; that means $158 million more, bringing the total unit production cost to $181 million per copy.
Citat:None of that includes the 2014 R&D bill for the F-35A; that was $816 million.
Citat:For the Marines B, or STOVL, model, the authorized 2014 buy is six (6) aircraft for $1.267 billion in 2014 procurement, $106 million in 2013 long lead money, and $147 million in 2014 aircraft procurement modifications. That calculates to $252.3 million for each one, according to Wheeler.
For the Navy’s C, carrier-capable (but not yet), model, we get four (4) aircraft for $1.135 billion, plus $32 million in long lead, plus $31 million in modifications. That means $299.5 million for each one.
Raptor1 ::Ovo je bilo za fiskalnu godinu 2014.
Naravno, ali da li mislis da ce nesto biti jeftinije 2017. (ili 2024.) nego 2014?
Te godine cena F35A (najjednostavnije verzije) je, sa svim gorenavedenim troskovima (RnD + LL + MOD), iznosila 224 mil.$/kom (naravno, uz pretpostavku da su gonje cifre korektne).
Ako pogledamo strukturu tih troskova, jedino sto moze da utice da se jedinicna cifra po avionu znacajno umanji su RnD troskovi (zavisno od plana otplate) ali posto vidimo da avion jos uvek nije ispunio sve zahteve, tesko da ce RnD proces biti zavrsen uskoro, a i sami RnD troskovi se povecavaju iz godine u godinu, tako da...
LL sredstva su otprilike konstantna...
Troskovi buducih modifikacija se sigurno nece smanjiti, vec naprotiv sigurno ce biti mnogo veci od ovih 158 mil.$ namenjenih za 2014...
Kada se sve ove cifre pogledaju i ukoliko bi cak pretpostavili da su RnD troskovi 0 tesko da ce cena aviona ikada biti ispod 180 mil.$, a najverovatnije ce biti u rasponu 200-250 mil.$...
E sad, jedino da se LM odrekne lavovskog dela profita (a taj film verovatno necemo gledati) i smanji osnovnu prodajnu cenu na tih famoznih 100 mil.$ (sa cca 157 koliko je bila 2014.), ali opet tih 100 mil.$ nije konacna cena i na nju se mora dodati jos 50 - 100 mil...
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