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Poslao: 15 Okt 2011 17:09
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Napisano: 15 Oct 2011 17:02
the following is my view;
paf jf-17 blk1 is inferior to f16 blk52 in both avionics and payload
paf jft blk2 will be equal [or atleast similar] in avionics but still inferior in payload as compared to f16blk52
jft is a light fighter, f16 is a medium wt fighter
paf jft blk 1 capability is inbetween grippen a/b--c/d
paf jft blk doesnt have ifr probe, irst
paf jft blk2 will have the final design of jft [particularly re-designed frontal fuselage]
it will have ifr probe [fixed] , irst, better avionics, better countermeasures, aesa [from the start , or later in the form of mlu] , dual seeter version, sd10b,more composits, more hardpoints, new engine [still unconfirmed]
paf jft blk3 will have avionics upgrade , but the structure will be same as blk2
in terms of dogfighting with f16 blk15ocu, the jft blk1 is superior in both menouvering and countermeasures
exact rcs of jft is not known , however the pilots have said in forums that the rcs of jft blk1 is the least in paf inventory
Dopuna: 15 Oct 2011 17:09
klj-7 has already been replaced by another radar , which is being produced for jft blk1 in pac-kamra.... this has been told by engineers on pak forums , but the details are not public -- only thing known is that its max output is above the average output of apg68v9
the baseline klj7 had beeten the grifo7 radar in trails in 2009
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Poslao: 15 Okt 2011 17:22
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ANTIBODY ::fly-by-wire,HUD,HOTAS,MFD,dsi,look down/shoot down,bvr,GPS/precision weapons,hms,datalink,maw etc easily make jf-17 blk1 a 4th generation fighter
http://www.defence.pk/forums/jf-17-thunder/71435-j.....-pool.html
the above picture compares the physical dimensions
All that has F-16 block 30 also and it is 3rd. generation figter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16.....lock_30.29
What is 4th. generation? Data link, battle computer, digital ground mapping and similar stuff. With short words "Digital Warfare".
Dopuna: 15 Okt 2011 17:22
Besotted ::Nemam ja problem uporedne tabele sa JF-17 ali šta tu radi F-5 i stari block 30 f-16 da mi je znati? Trebali su staviti Block 52 da bi bio on-par sa Gripenom i JF-17.
Komparacija bi bila sasvim na mestu da nisu stavili pored Gripena. OK i trebali su umesto F-5E staviti F-20 zbog toga jer je jednomotorac.
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Poslao: 16 Okt 2011 19:53
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@jazbar
Evo ti spisak elektronike:
Citat:
* Dual redundant mission computers
* Dual redundant 1553 Mux bus architecture
* Multimode Pulse Doppler Radar capable of tracking multiple targets with prioritized firing
* Ring laser gyro inertial navigation system tied with GPS
* Smart head up display with up front control panel. HUD minimum total Field of View is 25 degrees
* Color video recording camera and video recorder (for SMFCDs)
* HOTAS
* Three smart multi function color displays
* Air Data Computer
* R/Altimeter
* IFF Interrogator/Transponder
* ACMI
* BVR/Communication Data link
Dakle ima tu dosta tehnike koja pripada 4generaciji. Cak mislim da radar ima mapiranje terena.
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Poslao: 16 Okt 2011 20:01
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Nemojte da zaboravite da se uvela nova kategorija, ono + ili ++, pa to dovodi do dodatne zbrke(eh ti Rusi)
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Poslao: 16 Okt 2011 20:50
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Znaci neki jos uvek nisu shvatili da su te "generacije" glupost, a pogotovu ako mislite da po njima uporedjujete sposobnosti aviona.
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Poslao: 17 Okt 2011 07:05
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i ja mislim da su gluposti te generacije...to je samo mamac da se uvali proizvod.dele se samo na bolji i losiji...kako sad jedan mig-21 bis avion druge generacije modernizacijom na mig-21-93 postaje cetvrta generacija i pobedjuje avion F-16 koji je treca generacija(milim na starije blokove ne i pocetne gde je bio naoruzan samo sa aim-9,uzmimo prvi blok koji je koristio Aim-120 i uporedimo im karakteristike)???Fica je fica iako mu ugradis porse motor i GPS nece postati Fica+++i nece moci ce da se meri sa BMW iz 80 godina kad izadje na trkackoj stazi. Pogotovo te ++ zezancije kakvo je to ocenjivanje?Znaci bitne su karakteristike aviona,radar, naoruzanje i cena,to generacijsko uporejivanje je cista glupost i marketinski trik
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Poslao: 17 Okt 2011 11:13
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Nego jel kinez ima kombinaciju nisanske kacige i odgovarajuce rakete? Dakle jel to operativno ili samo na papiru?
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Poslao: 17 Okt 2011 14:05
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Imali su oni to operativno još na F-7G, s' tim što raketa nije mogla da se navodi i radarom i kacigom.
Odnosno, ukoliko bi radar zaključao metu i dao parametre IC samonavođenoj raketi pilot tada nije mogao da koristi kacigu (tj. nišan na kacigi). I obrnuto, ukoliko bi pilot želeo da koristi nišan na kacigi, nije mogao da upotrebljava i radar. Odnosno ručno je birao mod u kome će raditi sa raketom, radar, ili nišan na kacihi.
To su kao glavni problem navodili sami Kinezi...
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Poslao: 17 Okt 2011 14:54
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Nisam bio najjasniji. Da li imaju raketu sa velikim uglom zahvata za JF-17? Vidim pominje su razne zapadne rakete ali da li je ista od toga zvanicno prikazano na avionu?
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Poslao: 17 Okt 2011 16:48
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mean machine, i think you asked of rockets for jf17-- paf used rockets on non-rose upgraded mirages
jf17 will use precesion weapons
pakistan and china dont have marketing specialists to make stylish videos and presentations aswell as naming their fighters 4, 4+, 4++ etc--
however jf17 was heavily inspired by the gripen [sortie rate and cockpit design as example]-- paf pilots test flew gripen for some time , but then decided to concentrate production of prototype04 of jf17 -- as gripen was not giving extraordinary performance as compared to its cost , and paf felt that it could make a similar fighter in 8 years , which paf did
embargoes , source code restrictions, upgrade restrictions, gps spying, spare parts restrictions were also important factors , particularly when paf needed 250 fighters to form a reliable backbone in case of war
one important thing i want to add is that paf is the producer aswell as the user --so cost is down--- for gripen paf would have to pay to grippen company [+profit] , middle man [+profit] before it reached pakistan
in todays war , no fighter works alone , it is integrated & datalinked to awacs aswell as the defence c4 system
the electronic pod on jft is inbetween lantrin and sniper pod--- all these 3 pods are used by paf
The MAWS(Missile Approach Warning System) scans in the IR, UV and visual spectrum, being able to detect incoming missiles from 20 km away.
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