JF-17(FC-1) Thunder

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Be assured we won't lead this topic toward virtual fight Jf-17 vs Bison or Tejas. We are interested in progress of Jf-17 program and questions are coming from positive place. Ofcourse we have to be a bit critical.
It is clear to us that PAF is making big steps.

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nabil05 ::Oh dear, not another bison advocate. Destination is known already. Coming back to topic, according to you, r-73 has more range and HOBS ability so all adversary missiles become obsolete? History and FACTS tell otherwise. The reality is that Pl-9 (C version) is the best Wvr missile in PAF and PLA inventory for a good reason. Range is 7-8 km short but it does have off bore-sight capability that goes to 60 degrees. A dual mode seeker with a good anti-jamming ability. Seeker is important as it differentiates between flares and aircraft more than that of Aim-9 Ls, Ps, Pl-8s etc. Last but not the least, if you believe a more advanced WVR or even BVR for that matter, gives an upper hand then you are far from truth. Air combat is far from a perfect world. Timing and skills matter A LOT, the rest just follows...

I am not one who said MiG-21 Bison is potent fighter. It was USAF pilot's words. I am not saying Bison would always be better then JF-17 I only point out JF-17 lack of good HOBS missile. Look at any modern fighter and you will see they all have such weapon in their arsenal.

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mean_machine ::nabil05 ::Oh dear, not another bison advocate. Destination is known already. Coming back to topic, according to you, r-73 has more range and HOBS ability so all adversary missiles become obsolete? History and FACTS tell otherwise. The reality is that Pl-9 (C version) is the best Wvr missile in PAF and PLA inventory for a good reason. Range is 7-8 km short but it does have off bore-sight capability that goes to 60 degrees. A dual mode seeker with a good anti-jamming ability. Seeker is important as it differentiates between flares and aircraft more than that of Aim-9 Ls, Ps, Pl-8s etc. Last but not the least, if you believe a more advanced WVR or even BVR for that matter, gives an upper hand then you are far from truth. Air combat is far from a perfect world. Timing and skills matter A LOT, the rest just follows...

I am not one who said MiG-21 Bison is potent fighter. It was USAF pilot's words. I am not saying Bison would always be better then JF-17 I only point out JF-17 lack of good HOBS missile. Look at any modern fighter and you will see they all have such weapon in their arsenal.

HOBS is just a matter of 1 or 2 years. A-Darter and MAA-1B Piranha both.

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OK, let's talk about it when we see JF-17 with A-Darter, Piranha and PL-12 in operational use in Pakistani Air Force.

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Napisano: 19 Oct 2011 12:33

[img]http://imgur.com/YrFG5[/img]
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China’s Emerging 5th Generation Air-to-Air MissilesPublished on February 2nd, 2008
http://www.strategycenter.net/research/pubID.181/pub_detail.asp

Dopuna: 19 Oct 2011 12:37

Possible “South African” AAMs

At the 2002 Zhuhai Airshow South African firms set up a small booth and spoke of their desire to do business with the PLA but did not go into specifics. At subsequent shows the South African presence grew larger and it is now clear that there have been several cooperative programs, including unmanned aircraft, air defense systems and air to air missiles. While South African firms have said little about the latter, in 2004 Yihong Chang reported on PLA interest in purchasing the 5th generation Denel A-Darter AAM.[7] The data revealed on January 4 indicated that development of the PL-10 started in 2004, which might track very well with the reported deepening of South African-PLA cooperation. The few clear images of the PL-ASR/PL-10 show a near 95 percent similarity with the Denel A-Darter AAM. The main differences are in the rear fin shape and configuration, but it is a relatively minor difference. So it is possible to speculate that the PL-10 may very well have a performance similar to or better than the A-Darter, which would include use of advanced imaging infrared guidance and a maximum range of 20km or better. The January 4 revelation indicates the seeker has a 90-degree off-bore-sight capability (180 degree field of view). It also has a lock-on-after-launch capability, meaning it can be launched from a high off-bore-sight position and acquires the target, usually accomplished with the aid of a helmet sight or IRST.


http://i.imgur.com/yL1Yk.jpg

Dopuna: 26 Oct 2011 23:16




http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multi.....ail-9.html

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Dopuna: 02 Nov 2011 1:39

nabil_05

Titbit is that second batch avionics are being tested on a prototype (not sure its 04 or 06) and performance is twice as good as the first batch avionics. Much powerful mission computers are used for sensor fusion, overall performance is very satisfactory. What was once offered by Sagem should be left behind despite how good it was. PAF does seem happy with Chinese technological advancements. They are at a stage where they can compete with the best in world. Also, new flight control interface (fly by light as he called it) is being used in J-20 and FC-20 might share a piece of it.
parallel developments for different configurations as far as i know. Right now, CAC is not only working on JFT B verison on PAF request but also on ground attack version with rugged under carriage and landing gear, to replace PLAAF obsolete Q-5 and F-7 fleet. This is the one with WS-13 engine onboard. Block 2 is a different thing altogether having stealthy fuselage and other tweaks. The one for egypt maybe 04 or 06 but different radar and avionic suite similar to Bkl 2.

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JF-17 sa dve protivbrodske C-802

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Jel Paki imaju u naoruzanju ovu PB raketu C-802? naravno misleci na Groma i njegova UBS

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Ovaj mali Tornado od avion ima zube kao bengalski Tigar. Jako bih voleo da ih vidim pod Srpskom zastavom!
Čitao sam dosta o njemu i performanse su mu odlične kao i rate of climb, ubrzanje, okretnost i agilnost. Ove rakete su samo šlag na već ionako veliku tortu za venčanje.
Sladak je kao popica. Koliko se kreće cena jednog sa propratnim kompletom, obukom i svim šta dolazi uz taj deal?