MIG-21 "Fishbed"

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Napisano: 28 Apr 2014 18:07

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Odlicno ,hvala kolega .

A sta Finci kazu u vezi sa nazivom F-12 ?
Ne odgovori
Oni pišu samo o MiG-21F-13, čak forum je MiG-21F-13 .
http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/index.php/topic,92297.20.html

Dopuna: 28 Apr 2014 18:29

Odgovori
Citat:Some sources claim it was an export designation for the Finnish MiG-21F-13. However, Jyrki Laukkanen's MiG-21 in Finnish Air Force states otherwise:
"Thou some western and even Finnish aviation sources identified them incorrectly as Dash 12 (which never existed), they were in fact Dash 13 referring to the K-13 missile system."


Ne bio ova verzija F-12. Da se zvalo na Zapadu. [I Rusi su se ponekad]

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Da li su u ovih 40 ubrojane i razlike u podvarijantama po zavodima/fabrikama i pojedinim proizvodnim serijama ("blokovima" što bi rekli Ameri), ili bi sa tim podverzijama broj bio još veći?

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Мислим да би онда списак верзија био још већи.

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Kratak opis verzije i oznaka MiG-21;
http://dfiles.eu/files/2gtfja5hm

Nadalje odgovor iz Finske [ 21F-13 21F-12 ]

Citat:I think Jerzy really has got a point when asking about MiG-21F-12. According to the very detailled history of the Kubinka special regiment (234 Guards IAP), which generally was the first Soviet AF regiment to receive new equipment, and also repeatedly made friendship visits abroad and reciprocially hosted foreign visits (the first visitors being Finland, France and Sweden).

Thus the well-known Russian aviation historian Sergei Isayev writes in his history of 234 GIAP "Stranitsy istorii pilotazhnogo polka 1950-1992" (Pages from the history of the aerobatic regiment), Moscow 2013 (567 pages with hundreds of illustrations) that an EXPORT version of MiG-21F-13 was delivered to Finland in 1962, and that the designation of this export version was MiG-21F-12!
I have discussed this with Jyrki Laukkanen (and with several other Finnish MiG-veterans as well) who all point out that all documentation and handbooks of the Finnish MiGs mention ONLY MiG-21 F-13. However, after reading Isayev´s book I get the impression that some (avionic and/or weapon control?) equipment was stripped from the F-13 fighters before delivery to Finland, and that this "stripped down" export version got the (temporary and/or "unofficial"?) designation F-12.

It could further well be that the "degradation" of the export version was kept secret (or at least not "advertised"), why F-13 handbooks were delivered with the fighters.

Jerzy, to sum up, it would be interesting to know why you did put this question? Have you got reason to suspect that Finland did NOT get the original F-13?

Rusi tvrde da je posebna izvozna verzija 21F-12

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Citat:(temporary and/or "unofficial"?) designation F-12.

To smo i mi zakljucili ,dakle nezvanicna oznaka tj. nije bila zvanicna oznaka OKB MiG ni proizvodjaca .

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Rumunija,Campia Turzii - Flotila 71 Aeriana
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Citat:(temporary and/or "unofficial"?) designation F-12.

To smo i mi zakljucili ,dakle nezvanicna oznaka tj. nije bila zvanicna oznaka OKB MiG ni proizvodjaca .


Ali koliko napisao sam .Cijela večer
Znate li što je radost u umirovljenika

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Foto - kolekcija finskih F-13 iz sastava 31 lovacke eskadrile `Crni risovi` u AB K.Risala



Sa otvorenim kucistem kocionog padobrana



MиГ-21бuc(Fishbed-L)

Citat:В довольно небольшом количестве «бисы» получили ВВС всех стран - участниц Организации Варшавского Договора. В 1977 г., спустя почти три года после окончания серийного производства МиГ-21бис на завод № 21, первые из 28 истребителей данной модификации были поставлены Финляндии, где они заменили состоявшие на вооружении 31-й истребительной эскадрильи самолеты МиГ-21Ф-13.

http://wunderwafe.ru/Magazine/AirWar/114/02.htm

Citat:The conversions were designed to replace the MiG-21 F-13s which were retired in the mid 1980s. The conversions of the 'bis', which had been on strength with the Finnish AF since the late 70s, used Western equipment- most importantly 'Vicon 18' camera pods. Electronic jamming pods were also designed as well. The conversions took place between 1986 and 1989.

First of all, here's a picture of MG-125 wearing late 'low viz' camoflague scheme and is clearly displaying recon pod, missiles and drop tanks.

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Još jedan finski-antena ? SRO-1 Barij M [ export ]


Anteny MiG-21F-13

Više o razlici 21F-13 [12] za Finsku:
http://www.flightforum.fi/forum/index.php?topic=92297.msg1478056#msg1478056

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Nesto u vezi te antene

Citat:It is authentically known, that system "Magniy" which aerial was above a fuselage, had the early export series received by Indonesia in 1962, by India and Finland in 1963.

MiG-21F-13 for the countries of the Warsaw pact had system "Chrom".

Late export series MiG-21F-13 had aerial "Magniy" from below a fuselage.
Defected Iraq MiG and tested in Groom Lake have this variant.
Means MiG-21 "80965"USAF is not ex-Indonesian.




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