Pilot Dzamel Sajhud fino ispricao kako je sve bilo ,sta se desilo ali ne ,nece da priznaju pa da si Bog .Po njima Tornado nije bio oboren ,e jada sa njima ...
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The most modern fighter in the IQAF inventory was the MiG-29A, of which the IQAF possessed 37. Details of the MiG-29’s service in the war are unclear, although the IQAF would make quite a few unsubstantiated claims with the fighter, including an RAF Tornado (which crashed on a mission but was not shot down) and a B-52 (which was hit by a wayward HARM, not a MiG-29’s missile). Despite being on par with all but the most modern fighters the Coalition was fielding on paper, the MiG-29 fared poorly in air-to-air engagements. Some five MiG-29s would be downed by USAF F-15s, and it appears that no MiG-29 kill claims are substantiated by Coalition loss reports.
Jos jedna u nizu slika 9-12B sa ev. brojem 29060 , slikanog u prolece 1989g na prvoj medjunarodnoj vojnoj izlozbi u Bagdadu ( zanimljivo na toj izlozbi je bio izlozen nas mocan SVLR 262mm M-87 `Orkan` )
Ray NATO avioni padaju samo od tehničkih kvarova nema šanse da njih neko obori pogotovo ne u vazdušnoj borbi. Interesantno je da ni jedan američki pilot oboren u Koreji i zarobljen kad je pušten iz zarobljeništa na saslušanju u Americi nije priznao da je oboren u vazdušnoj borbi. Svi su pali zbog kvara na avionu osim nekoliko njih oborenih PA artiljerijom.
Gotovo ista situacija je bila i posle Vijetnama.
Ma da,meni je najveca scena kad covek kaze ,da je avion tokom manevrisanja u BVB pogodio u tlo ,raspao se i zapalio ,sve kotrljajuci se .Javi se Iracanin i fino isprica sta je bilo ,sta ima tu da se oduzima i dodaje ,hm .Bilo i proslo ali je bilo kako je bilo a ne kako se...
Nego u vezi `Remore` na irackim 9-12B a koje pominju upravo njihovi piloti
Sta kaze onaj T.Kuper na forumu `f-16.net ` :
Citat:Tom .. Is it possible for MiG-29 to be confused with Mirage F.1EQ if a Remora pod is installed on MiG-29 ??
Yes, that was certainly possible.
USAF was using three methods of IFF back then: NCTR (non-cooperative target recognition), ELINT/SIGINT (depending on electronic signals - radar etc. - emitted from the target), and 'classic' (IFF-transponders).
NCTR depends on radar return from the target, or 'radar image' of specific objects. I'm no 'techie', and can only describe how it works in quite primitive fashion, so bear with me now.
In theory, it's clear that a two-engines, two-fins airframe like that of MiG-29 should return an entirely different radar echo than single-engine, single-fin airframe like that of Mirage F.1. But, it seems NCTR as in use in 1991 was heavily dependent on ability of the radar to 'see' target's engines (i.e. turbine blades at its front end). If, for example, target was a MiG-29 flying very low, and US aircraft (F-15 for example) was high above it, it could not see 'down intakes', because on MiG-29 these would be covered by the fuselage.
In other cases it took either the F-15's radar, or that of the controlling E-3 Sentry, 'too long' to compute the radar echo. Because of ranges involved (E-3s were usually at least 200km away from the scene), it takes few seconds for radar signals to reach the target, and few seconds for radar echo to return to the antenna. Then it takes few seconds for radar's computer to analyse/calculate characteristics of target's radar echo - and computers from the 1980s (as installed in F-15s and E-3s of the time) were nowhere near as powerful as even modern-day systems in civilian use. But, because of high speeds of involved aircraft, air combats are taking place within very short periods of time. Simply (very simply and rather roughly) expressed: in few cases the Iraqi aircraft were determined as 'enemy' by other means and F-15s cleared to fire before the NCTR on USAF aircraft computed them as such (keep in mind: I'm talking about mere seconds here). Then it was on other means of identification to determine type of Iraqi aircraft...
Because ELINT/SIGINT depends on electronic emissions emitted by the target (whether its own radar emissions, emissions from jammer pods it's carrying, or radio emissions etc.), it could happen a MiG-29 carrying Remora to be misidentified as a Mirage F.1.
I would say this was definitely the case with Greater's target. You said, there were only MiG-29s based at Talha, and that sounds perfectly reasonable. Greater's NCTR never propely identified the target (his target just took off from Talha and was not yet climbing, thus his target's engines were 'hidden'), and he claimed a 'probable' (no 100% certain kill) against an 'unknown' aircraft (he did not know what type). I.e. Greater didn't claim a 'Mirage': it was an RC-135 that declared Greater's target for a 'Mirage'. And RC-135s are ELINT/SIGINT reconnaissance platforms.
Ma nesto ovde ipak ne stima, tesko da su oni isli na borbene zadatke sa svega 4 rakete V-V : 2x R-27R1 i svega 2x R-60MK ,krajnji nosaci su morali biti necim zauzeti .Dalje ova stvarno dobra slika sa prosle strane ...
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E sad ima ovaj detalj u opustosenoj kabini ,pogledajmo sa leve strane jedan mali upravljacki pult iznad ove lepeze , ovo bi lako mogao biti pult za onu `Remoru` ,stanicu aktivnog ometanja ?
..nam otkriva pored ove male valjda upravljacke kutije gore iznad leve lepeze i to da ispod tzv akcelerometra ( pokazivac nap. ugla i g-opt ) se nalaze neki indikatori,prekidaci sta li vec a to u kabinama nasih nema ni danas nakon modernziacije ,pogledajmo :
To je moralo biti nesto `vanredno` ,znaci nesto sto drugi 9-12B jednostavo nisu imali .Znamo isto tako da su gorivni sistem i instalacije kod irackih 9-12B bili nesto preuredjeni, valjda zbog nosenja onih PTB-1150 i navodno radi uloge letece- cisterne ???
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Sad nadjoh ovo ,pogledajmo sta stoji u komentaru,cak su i MiG-23ML nosili te Remore :
Citat:In 1988 the Iraqi air force EW department modified the Remora pod to make it capable of breaking the lock by F-15, F-16 radars. The French experts on this pod who worked in Iraq were aware of this modification but decided not to raise any complaint.The remora pod is a self contained jammer which doesn’t need any interface with the aircraft avionics. In the mid 1990s there were several experiments with the adaptation of that pod on the Mig-23ML. The same pod was also modified to be carried on the Iraqi Mig-29 which had its engine partially rehabilated by russian experts who visited Iraq for a small period.
In April 1991,the Iraqi Air Force formed a committee to draw the necessary lessons from the 1991 Air war with the United States. In the field of Air to Air war it selected the Mig-23ML and Mig-25 PDS as the two fighters that would encounter the US aircrafts. The Iraqi Mig-29 had trouble with their engines and they were no longer in flying conditions for sustained periods.
I dok je Branko Bilbija leteo probni let na UB 1985 g sa Valerijem Menickim tacno te godine se jedan cuveni drzavnik raspitivao za MiG-29 .Bio je to niko drugi do revolucionar Fidel Kastro .
Evo kako je to bilo :
Citat:Castro ask about the MiG-29 in 1985, when Mijail Gorbachov arrive to the power. But Gorbachov begins its politica of approach to US, and brakes the asked. Castro begins to investigate with the Russians the cause of the delay, and after various months of silence, the Russians respond throught their Ambassador A. Kapto. He told Castro, that their government affirms that the MiG-29 can mot be delivered, because this fighter are not produced yet, they are testing it. Castro hears the explication, several times sight to the Ambassador ironically, and says that although the answer arrives late, and is negative, but at least it was a reply of some kind. The next day a FAR General in an meet with the Ambassador asks him, if the Ambassador saw an report of the American TV, where were show the MiG-29 produced in series and flying in several soviets units, and visiting other countries. Kapto understood what Castro was insinuating, and Kapto transmitted this to Moscow with urgency. Because of this the USSR began the deliveries of MiG-29, although by the disintegration of the Soviet Union Cuba never receive all planned aircrafts.
Reklo bi se da Sovjeti nisu bas bili voljni da Kubi prodaju 29tke i to jos sredinom 80tih .Kuba je 12x 9-12B i 2x 9-51B nabavila oktobra 1989g za cenu nekih 18-20 milki po avionu .Avioni su dosli rasklopljeni i imali prve letove pola godina nakon dolaska na ostrvo .
Citat:Like declare Raúl Castro (Minister of the FAR) in 1993 to the Mexican newspaper "El Sol de Mexico", Cuba must to receive 40 fighters MiG-29 for a complete Regiment, but receive only one Squadron. These are the most expensive and sophisticated aircraft received by the FAR, keeping in mind that to the prices of the exchange with the Soviet Union, the MiG-21 were valued in US $1,5 million, the MiG-23 in $ 3-5 million, and the MiG-29 already $ 18-20 million. As result of the economics problems of the USSR, the FAR receive only 12 MiG-29 (series 9-12B) Fulcrum A and two two-seats MiG-29UB (series 9-51) Fulcrum B. These arrived in October of 1989 and after be are assembled, they begin the test flights on April 19, 1990. The first exercise of the FAR's MiG-29 is performed in May of 1990, the exercises "Cuban Shield".
Javnosti poznat slucaj kad je jedan UB oborio 2 Cesne ...
Citat:The shoot down of the HR´s Cessna-337
On February 24, 1996 are shoot down for the Cuban MiGs two airplanes Cessna-337 of the exiled organization Brothers to the Rescue. Participate in the operation two fighters: a MiG-29UB and a MiG-23UM. The loss of MiGs fighters that attempting to maneuver with slower planes (like the MiG-21PFMA crashed in 1982 over the sea when pursuing narco planes), showed that a slow and maneuverable plane like the Cessna-337 of Brothers to the Rescue, is a very difficult target for a fast jet fighter as the MiG-21 or MiG-23. On the other hand, the MiG-29 (as the Su-27) is very maneuverable and can "yank and bank" very well at slower speeds. This was demonstrated in exercises of Cuban MiG-29 against Cuban little Polish-built PZL-104 Wilga planes.
The MiG-23UB stayed high and served served as a radio relay between ground radar controllers and the MiG-29UBs to help vector them to the BR´s Cessnas. Lt. Col. Lorenzo Alberto Pérez Pérez (in conjunction with other crewmembers) was the pilot of the MiG-29UB FAR-900 that shot down the two Cessna 337s, using R-60MK missiles. All the four Cuban Pilots having a plenty of flight time and Combat missions in Africa. This operation was not planificated, but was sucessful.
Samo da se nesto prodetaljise ,ova Cesna 337 ima najvecu letnu brzinu oko 300km/h ,pilot 29tke UB nije imao radar naravno ali je gadjanje mogao obaviti u rezhimu `Optika` ( KOLS ) ili SHLEM .
I naravno nakon toga `kenjci , nisu imali druga posla nego ...
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After this incident, the Pentagon propose to President William Clinton to bombing the MiG-29 Base of San Antonio. But he desist, by the conclusion that these were in strong refuge and well defended by SAMs.
Po podacima starijeg datuma njihovi piloti na 29ma su imali godisnji nalet 100-200h ali ukljucujuci letove na transp. avionima ?
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The MiG-29 are the last combat aircraft received by the FAR, and are the best fighter in Latin America in close combat. All the 14 Cuban MiG-29 served in the 231th Squadron of the 23° Regimiento de Caza (Fighter Regiment) basified in San Antonio de los Baños. Its pilots belong to the group of FAR pilots that follow with the normal time flight volume, doing in their MiG-29 from 100 to 200 annual hours (the pilots of other equipment have very reduced the time of flight in fighters, and they complete their hours flying in transport airplanes). Russia continued the collaboration with parts, and the MiG-29 participate in different exercises and events each year, as the air demostration before the military delegation of China of the Colonel General Yuan Shoufang in August of the 2001.
Kubanci su pored R-27R1 i R-60MK imali i R-73E.Jedna neobicna kombinacija podvesavanja ,ovo je zaista retkost za videti ,pogledajmo, ispod unutrasnjih su 2x R-60MK a onda slede 4x R-73E
Known numbers of Iraqi MiG-29
Hello!
Before 1991 war on all photos of Iraqi Air Force's MiGs are always the same aircraft number 29060.
On photographs taken after 2003 "campaign" I could recognise only four aircraft with readable numbers and at least next five destroyed MiGs, but numbers are not visible.
So we know only 29040, 29060, 29062, 29080.
Four of Iraqi MiGs are now in Iran. MiG-29: ٢٩٠٣٢29032, ٢٩٠٣٨29038, ٢٩٠٤٤29044, MiG-29UB: ٢٩٠٠٤29004.
Mala digresija... Verovatno je već opisano na forumu ali je forum ogroman da bi se tako lako našlo. Gledao sam neki insert iz američke emisije o agresiji 1999. Major Dozzer opisuje jurnjavu sa našom 29-kom i 3 ispaljene rakete... Da li se zna koji je naš pilot bio u pitanju i gde je pao naš avion?
Evo ga link.... Na minuti 12:00 otprilike.
Unapred zahvalan!
m.youtube.com/watch?t=893s&v=66tBkH8rdIs
Kolega pozdrav .Taj Dozer ( Majk Sauer ) je ocigledno bio malo predoziran u toj emisiji .Dovoljno je da poslusas sta komentator kaze,`upotrebio radar da bi video nocu` e sta reci nego ...
Kaze da mu je prisao na 3 km ,jeste ,da mu je prisao na 3km popio bio ne jednu nego plotun R-73E , u zaokretu kakvog ga je opisao taj drogirani .Kolega nije se to nikad desilo ,u njihovim glavama jeste ali u stvarnosti nije .Inace sam dogadjaj se povezuje sa borbenim letom pilota-lovca Ilja Arizanova .
^^^ hvala... I meni je to sve zvučalo malo TOP GUN... Samo je falilo da kaže kako mu je pilot naše 29-ke pokazao srednji prst a Ilja je ono beše pao na Kosovu i mučio se dva dana da pređe na sigurnu stranu
P. S. Ko je onda bio u prvom avionu koji opisuje američki poručnik oko 10-og minuta? Grof je oboren prve noći... Da li je to to... ili je video kako Grofa pogađa naš KUB?
a Ilja je ono beše pao na Kosovu i mučio se dva dana da pređe na sigurnu stranu 
