MiG-31 Foxhound

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Citat:To sto Su-27 moze da se vrti ko cigra na nebu je odlicno ali dzaba kada je slep.

Kako je to Su-27 slep? U operativnoj upotrebi dva puka VVS se nalazi Su-27SM sa radarom povecanog dometa a SU-27 standardni sa radarom N001 Mech moze otkriti lovca na daljini od 120 km. Dakle naoruzan raketama R-27 i R-77 i Su-27 jeste presretac.

MiG-31 je zastareo kao masina.

Citat: Avion koji leti na istoj ili visoj visini od F-22 i pri tome ima uzasno jak radar i opasne rakete je jedini koji moze da se nosi sa F-22 (ako je verovati osobinama F-22). Sve ostalo je buranija koja ocekuje lucky shot. Ajde molim vas FLIP pracenje F-22??? Pa ako na to spadnu onda bolje da ne lete.

Ako je verovati.....mi jos ni ne znamo karakteristike F-22 jer su izgleda jos uvek tajna. Dovoljno je to da ima jace motore od MiG-a 31 i da ima super krstarenje. Ne znamo mu ni maks.brzinu ni vrhunac leta.

Kakav lucky shot? Mislim da samo ruski avioni mogu ocekivati ovako nesto jer se i nisu nesto proslavili.

Sa druge strane, opet po ko zna koji put ponavljam, ne moze se borbeni avion posmatrati kao jedinka vec kao deo sistema koji cine avioni drugih namena, sateliti, zemaljski sistemi itd.

Citat:Sta trenutno neka zemlja ima bolje od Mig31 za datu namenu?

Ne razumem sta hoces da kazes. Danas veoma mali broj zemalja ima klasicne lovce presretace. Sve opet zavisi i od velicine teritorije/akvatorije neke zemlje. Pa nece npr. Dzibuti da ima MiG-31.

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link:
http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/mikoyan/mig/31/mig31.htm

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mean_machine ::
Ostajem na tome.
Mig-31 nije zastareo.
Ako mislis drugacije slobodno izlozi svoje vidjenje.
Predpostavljam da se i ti slazes sa tezom da je Mig-31 starac???
Poenta uopste nije u tome, da sam hteo o tome da diskutujem vec bi nesto i napisao. Ono u cemu jeste poenta je to da se zixovo misljenje vise ceni nego tvoje (sto nema veze sa brojem postova nego iznetim znanjem), pa sam samo hteo da ti napomenem da to imas u vidu...

@ zixo

Javi se zixo! tt-t-t-t.

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Stedljivi motori? Kako to izvesti a da i dalje leti 2.3M i prelazi 1200km.


Tacno tako.

Imam jednog poznanika koji se skolovao za pilot u doticnom vazduhoplovstvu. Nije uspeo da ostvari svoj san, da leti na lovcu, pa je odustao. Mislim da bi na taj komentar kako je 31 zastareo podigao bi orvu, okrenuo glavu i cutao. Zasto je to jedan od avio koji Rusi nikad nisu nudili?

CEkaju nas dosta velike promene. Kad dodju stealth avioni i vidimo sta mogu bolje ce mo odrediti neke odnose. Ali trenutno je Mig31 jos upotrebljiv barem u Rusiji.

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Nudili su MiG-31E. Niko nije hteo da ga kupi. Kina NR je kupila Su-27 i SU-30.

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Posto nisam mogao da dodjem do RIA novosti stranice sa tekstom o unapredjenju Mig-31 evo isti taj tekst sa jednog foruma:

"Russia plans complete overhaul of MiG-31 interceptor fleet
Ria Novosti,Russia ^ | 02/ 11/ 2006

Posted on 11/02/2006 6:15:25 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Russia plans complete overhaul of MiG-31 interceptor fleet

15:13 | 02/ 11/ 2006

MOSCOW, November 2 (RIA Novosti) - Russia plans to modernize its MiG-31 Foxhound interceptor aircraft, which have been in service for 25 years, the air force commander said Thursday.

The modernized interceptor will feature unique air-to-air missiles capable of hitting targets at ranges exceeding 200 kilometers (125 miles), including aircraft with stealth capabilities, cruise missiles, and supersonic aircraft, Army General Vladimir Mikhailov said.

"Modernization of the fleet of MiG-31 interceptors will significantly increase the combat capabilities of the air defense, especially over remote areas of northern Russia, Siberia and the Far East, where air defense contingents have been sharply reduced since the 1990s," Mikhailov said.

The MiG-31 modernization and overhaul program will be implemented at the Sokol aircraft plant in Nizhny Novgorod, in Central Russia.

Mikhailov said the modernized supersonic interceptor will become a formidable rival to all fifth-generation fighters, due to enhanced radar detection and tracking capabilities, and a wide array of advanced weaponry.

According to various sources, about 500 MiG-31s have been produced since serial production began in 1978, approximately 370 of which remain in service within the Russian Air Force. After modernization, the interceptors are expected to serve until 2015."

2015 stize Ruski 5 gen. lovac.

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Eto vidis i sam u upotrebi je 25 godina a neke radikalnije modernizacije nikada nije bilo. Pri tom opet mislim na avione koji su u front-line eskadrilama.

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kNikS ::mean_machine ::
Ostajem na tome.
Mig-31 nije zastareo.
Ako mislis drugacije slobodno izlozi svoje vidjenje.
Predpostavljam da se i ti slazes sa tezom da je Mig-31 starac???
Poenta uopste nije u tome, da sam hteo o tome da diskutujem vec bi nesto i napisao. Ono u cemu jeste poenta je to da se zixovo misljenje vise ceni nego tvoje (sto nema veze sa brojem postova nego iznetim znanjem), pa sam samo hteo da ti napomenem da to imas u vidu...

@ zixo

Javi se zixo! tt-t-t-t.

Slazem sa tobom. Ja sam LAIK ali i vrlo upuceni ljudi grese . Reci za Mig-31 da je zastareo po meni je ipak preterivanje. Zato sam tako regovao.

Dopuna: 18 Avg 2007 16:56

zixo ::Eto vidis i sam u upotrebi je 25 godina a neke radikalnije modernizacije nikada nije bilo. Pri tom opet mislim na avione koji su u front-line eskadrilama.

Bilo je modifikacija. 1985 Mig-31B cini mi se. Nov radar i nove rakete. 1990 je uradjen Mig-31M ali svi znamo sta se desilo sa SSSR i ko je posle toga dosao na vlast u Rusiji. B.J. je prizemljio 80% Mig-31.

Takodje Mig-31 treba samo Rusiji i nikom vise. Gde ces da letis 1200km brzinom od 2.3M. Kina je pretezno naseljena na obali. Rusija je razvucena.

Su-27 je mladji samo par godina. I kao presretac ne moze se porediti sa mig-31. Ponovicu 1200km na 2.3M . A da sta je sa dugo ocekivanim radarom za Su-27? Koliko sam citao Mig-31 vec moze da dobije znatno jaci radar dok su-27 kuburi sa Ibris radarom.

A da VS je Mig-31 smatralo okosnicom svoje PVO. On bi navodio Su-27 i Mig-29. Mig-31 je prvi Sovjetski lovac koji se nije oslanjao na zemaljsku kontrolu letenja.

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@ mean machine

Moje znanje o vazduhoplovstvu je skromno ali dovoljno da procenim koji avion jeste zastareo poredeci ga naravno sa drugima. A ovde nismo da bi se prepirali vec smo tu da diskutujemo i nesto naucimo. Mogu nauciti i saznati nesto od tebe ali i ti od mene.

Sto se tice modifikacija, sve modifikacija B/BS su simbolicne i ne cine ga mnogo savremenijim. MiG-31M je dosta bolji ali nije uveden u operativnu upotrebu tako da ga i ne racunam. Sad sta ce Rusi dalje uraditi ostaje da se vidi. Uglavnom spremaju se za razvoj novog aviona.

Kina je pretezno naseljena na obali. Rusija je razvucena.

Kakve to ima veze? I Rusija je pretezno naseljena u svom evropskom delu.

P.S. Prouci malo radare sa derivata Su-27/30/35/37

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Da ali Rusija brani mnogo vecu povrsinu i samim tim im je potreban avion tipa Mig-31. Kini nije.

Evo sta kazu ljubitelji F-22 o Mig-31:

http://f22fighter.com/community/inde...26&topic=715.0

"- Whilest we in 2004-05 are trying to explore the advantage of going at speeds of mach 1.5-mach1.72 for prelonged periods of time (and are trying to save fuel by going on military settings) the Mig-31 was doing Mach 2.3+ for 700-800 Km Be it at afterburners but it could sustain those speeds for those distances.

- whilest the first Fixed phased array fighter radar to go into operation in the USAF was about 2-3 years back with the V(2) the Mig-31 had the Zaslon s-800 flash dance ready by 1979 and feiled and operational around 1982 making it by far the earliest phased array radar in the world (surpassing the B-1's radar by a large margin) and in those days the darn thing was giving u something like 108nm for a f-15 sized target..truely exceptional for those times..

- The JTIDS upgrade for some of the early F-15's started in and around 1992-1994 and the total upgrade was complete by 1998..whilest the Mig-31 was beaming down radar signals and missile launches through Data links in 1982. by Far the first operational fighter to use datalinking for both radar as well as weapon information.

- Have r-37's for long range cleanup and r-77's for medium range.


These and many more are mamoth acheivments for the soviets and the Mig designers who could not count on and rely upon the technology revolution that was taking place in the west.
The Mig-31 in my opinion was the ultimate in Air-defence anyone has ever gone It was most probably the biggest threat to the US and NATO forces more so then even the Flankers and Fulcrums in my opinion."

"in the early 80's all the US f-15's could do was verbal messaging with the AWACS crew the AWACS couldnt beam down any information to the F-15's...And if u give the US its advantage u must also give the soviets theirs.

- the mig-31 was designed as a layered defence system..Guided by GBR's (protected by one of the thickest SAM network ever concieved my mankind) They were the first in line..they could pick the Eagles at 108nm and flying 4 abreast they could cover almost 1000 Km.s , at that time their detection range was double of that of the F-15 agains them..they would fire their Long ranged weapon (R-37 with a similar phoenix range but with greater manueverability) from stand OFF ranges travelling at mach 2.3-mach 2.8 and at altitudes of 59,000 feet...at those speeds the kinematics of the missile were vastly increased and a lofted profile meant effecient range management and acceptable NEZ's..They could couple or ripple fire a few R-37's incase the first one missed as the missile was able to be fired using datalink (something the f-15's couldnt do till 1995) therefore the firing aircraft could disingage at lauch and the other mig-31 at a possible advantageous position would take over the guidance..Ofcourse like the phoenix the missile was independent at the end..Following on later they would either bug out or launch their Medium range missile r-27's/r-77's which had something comparable to sparrow/AMRAAM range..Ofcourse their mach 2.3 cruise speed and high altitude meant that if they wanted to Disingage from a fight the f-15's couldnt really do anything about it...Then they would bail out before say 15-20Nm of pass and let the su-27's which were trailing them do the close in work.."