Suhoj SU-37 Terminator

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Ne moras da me ubedjujes, nema potrebe. Ne verujem ni tvojim izvorima a ni Jefimu

On tvrdi da je Su-35 Ruskih Vitezova br. 2 ustvari Su-35 broj 86. Spominje 712 kao testbed za N011M i da je zajedno sa 703 predat Ruskim Vitezovima.

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Ne moras ti verovati, Ali neka znaju ljudi koji citaju da je napravljeno 2 Su-37:
1.
http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35_su-27m/
The final two preproduction aircraft T10M-11 and T10M-12 (bort numbers 711 and 712) tested the N011M phased-array radar. Aircraft '711' went on to become the Su-37 and was soon after converted to thrust vector control (TVC) demonstrator, fitted with AL-31FU
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http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D1%83-37
Единиц произведено 2
3.
http://warfare.ru/?linkid=1607&catid=255
Total number (active): 1+
Inventory:
AF/AD: Su-37, 1, constructed 2: 711 (AL-31F), 712 (AL-31FP). 711 crashed
4.
http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/su-30-ru-m.htm
In 1996 rebuilt to 2nd prototype of Su-37. Engines AL-31FU with thrust vectoring control and radar N011M from NIIP get in year 1996. Only one photo known! Aircraft was used by Sukhoi OKB as testbed until 2003, when was handed to Russkiye Vityazi, repainted and renumbered to 2
5.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1998/09/09/42.....rator.html
The test aircraft, number 712, will soon be fitted with Lyulka Saturn AL-31FP thrust vectoring engines, which are now under test on two Su-30MK fighters.
The T10M-12 has so far not been shown publicly and is undergoing trials alongside the two Su-30MKs with AL-31FP engines. Increased thrust AL-31FMs are reported to be under development.

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Su-35 ''2''



Dopuna: 12 Sep 2009 0:49

Citat:Aircraft '711' went on to become the Su-37 and was soon after converted to thrust vector control (TVC) demonstrator, fitted with AL-31FU

Ali nista ne kaze za 712, dakle spominje samo 711 kao Su-37.

Citat:Единиц произведено 2

Uh ta vikipedija...

Citat: Only one photo known! Aircraft was used by Sukhoi OKB as testbed until 2003, when was handed to Russkiye Vityazi, repainted and renumbered to 2

Ja stavih 2 slike, ako je avion akro grupe ''2'' 712. A Jefim kaze da je 86.

Priznaces ima malo kontradiktornosti

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Ma veruj mi da ja nemam pojma ni ko je taj jefim
Al' svi ruski izvori kazu da je bilo 2 Su-37, a kao sto znamo 711 se skrsio...
"Flight International" je renomirani casopis, i pomonje 712 sa vektorisanim potiskom...
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1998/09/09/42.....rator.html

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Citat:Ma veruj mi da ja nemam pojma ni ko je taj jefim Smile

mozda ali ima puno solidnih knjiga

Dopuna: 12 Sep 2009 9:49

Naslovna strana knjige o Su-27, gde je detaljno opisan i Su-37.



Dopuna: 12 Sep 2009 10:05

Malo sam protaraskao, Jefim je kontradiktoran, u jednoj knjizi spominje samo jedan a u drugim spominje 712 kao drugi prototip Su-37.

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hej..
pa ja imam ovu knjigu u pdf formatu..
moracu da je malo vise "prelistam"

Dopuna: 12 Sep 2009 10:58

evo slike kad su sklapali 711

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http://warfare.ru/?lang=&catid=255&linkid=1607
Su-37, 1, constructed 2: 711 (AL-31F), 712 (AL-31FP). 711
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Flight International
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/1998/09/09/42.....rator.html
The test aircraft, number 712, will soon be fitted with Lyulka Saturn AL-31FP thrust vectoring engines, which are now under test on two Su-30MK fighters.
The has so far not been shown publicly and is undergoing trials alongside the two Su-30MKs with AL-31FP engines. Increased thrust AL-31FMs are reported to be under development.
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http://www.mars.slupsk.pl/fort/sukhoi/su-30-ru-m.htm
In 1996 rebuilt to 2nd prototype of Su-37. Engines AL-31FU with thrust vectoring control
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http://www.milavia.net/aircraft/su-35_su-27m/
The final two preproduction aircraft T10M-11 and T10M-12 (bort numbers 711 and 712)
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Lako je naci podatke da su napravljena dva prototipa Su-37; broj 711, i 712 (T10M-11, i T10M-12)
Medjutim, tesko je naci podatke da je taj drugi prototip(712; T10M-12) bio pogonjen motorom sa vektorisanim potiskom...

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Malo me cudi da 712 gotovo nigde nije prikazan. Mogao je na aeromitinzima da nasledi 711.

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Dylan Dog ::Taj Su-37 (T10M-12 “712”) je imao vektorisan potisak motora.

Evo ukratko njegove sudbine:
In 1996 rebuilt to 2nd prototype of Su-37. Engines AL-31FU with thrust vectoring control and radar N011M from NIIP get in year 1996. Only one photo known! Aircraft was used by Sukhoi OKB as testbed until 2003, when was handed to Russkiye Vityazi, repainted and renumbered to 2. The second Su-37 (T10M-12 “712”) reportedly first flew in mid-1998...

Su-37 (T10M-12 “712”) je najverovatnije imao motor AL-31FP.

Neke tvrdnje cak kazu da je Su-37 "712" imao 3D vektorisani potisak.

Evo nekih podataka u vezi 2D, i 3D vektorisanog potiska:

Two dimension vectoring:
Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor
McDonnell Douglas F-15S/MTD
McDonnell Douglas X-36
Sukhoi Su-30MKI
Sukhoi Su-30MKM
Sukhoi Su-35
Boeing X-32
MiG-29OVT

Three dimension vectoring:
Lockheed F-16 Fighting Falcon MATV
McDonnell Douglas F-15 ACTIVE
McDonnell Douglas F-18 HARV
Mikoyan Project 1.44
Mikoyan MiG-29OVT (MiG-35)
Rockwell-MBB X-31
Ryan X-13 Vertijet
Sukhoi Su-35BM
Sukhoi Su-37
Sukhoi Su-47
X-44 MANTA
Shenyang J-11
Chengdu J-10
Da li si siguran za ove podatke (gde si nasao) posto MiG-29OVT (MiG-35) ima skoro sigurno 3D mlaznice dok za Su-47, barem u varijanti u kojoj je prikazan kao teh. dem. nije imao uopste nikakav vektor potiska. Za MiG-39 (1.42, 1.44) zna se da je trebao da ima vektor ali nisam bas siguran da li ga je i on imao uopste (takodje demonstrator).

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Ma ko zna iz kojih razloga Rusi nece ponovo da Su-27 modifikuju na standard Su-37.
Kakve veze ima ime?
Pa Indija ima u operativnoj upotrebi Su-30MKI, koji ima vektorisani potisak, i kanarde.
Da li je problem sto se ne zove Su-37, ili je losiji, jer se ne zove Su-37, nego Su-30MKI ??