Tenk Al-Khalid (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000)

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Tenk Al-Khalid (Type 90-IIM / MBT-2000)

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Ima ovdje finih sličica. Ali ima i finih laži. Kad se pogledaju slike, uporede ovi tekstovi, malo to sve uporedi i nađe se šupljine u ovim tekstovima i slikama.
Interesantno je to što su stavili komande za BDK kod komandira. Ai da napune 9 komada za jedan minut, da nanišane i opale, minimalno moraju da imaju 30 volti napona u tenku. Ali pošto imaju 4 akumulatora sa po 12 volti, pa kad daju gasa to se popne na 26 ili 27 volti. Ali da ga dignu na 30 volti to se radi samo kad su neke guzonje sa grmljem na ramenima da bi se pokazalo kako tenk dobro radi. Ove tekstove je napisao neki koji očekuje veći čin zato što tenk radi najbolje na svijetu.
Imaju uduplan sistem unutrašnje veze. Jedan nije ni spojen. Ali na jednoj slici se vidi amplidinski pogon. To je verzija na kojoj sam radio na kineskom tenku T85. Ili ne mogu rješiti hidrauliku za pogon kupole ili neće da mjenjaju uhodani sistem.

Ova digitalne prekidače na komandnoj tabli naišandžije smo izbacili na našim verzijama vojnih uređaja jer ih je vojska lako lomila, a i zahtijevali su čistoću u radu sa njima. Ako to tamo još radi onda ovaj tenk služi samo za prikazivanje, ali da u njemu budu vojnici, a tenkisti su ponekad prljavi i masni, neće ići. Vidio sam, dok sam radio sa pakistanskom vojskom, koja je hijerarhija, disciplina, strah od nadređenih, i slični sistemi straha. Ovdje su osobe koje su radile ispitivanje bile zastrašene i preplašene ako daju neku negativnu ocjenu. Sve je moralo biti najbolje. Radio sam u fabrici gdje se pravi ovaj tenk. Više se polaže na čistoću hale nego na kvalitet tenka.
To mi liči na "Đuru Đakovića" gdje su radnici izgubili jedan dan na poravnavanju tenkova u hali, jer će taj dan doći neke face sa grmljem na ramenima, a tadašnji šef proizvodnje tenkova p.puk Krsto Grujević je tjerao radnike da pomjeraju sve tenkove u hali i to napred nazad desetak centimetara jer dolazi delegacija. A tenkovi moraju biti poravnati, jer se tako zarađuju bodovi.

Piše o francusko pakistanskom automatu punjenja, a pult upravljanja sa tenka T72. Ruskog. I top 2A46. Ruski.

Vojska ko vojska. Veći dio priče ide na mazanje točkova crnom kremom za cipele, uvlačenju nadređenim nego pravoj borbenoj spremnosti.

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Bravo vlado za ovaj tekst...jer on suštinski opisuje razliku(da se niko ne uvredi)izmedju pravih profesionalnih vojski i TZV narodnih....Ne kažem ja da mi u našoj narodnoj vojsci nismo imali dobrih stručnjaka ali i suviše često se u tzv."ruskom sistemu strahovladne hijerarhije" više polagalo na fromu nego na suštinu(e sada Rusi sami po sebi imaju svoj kvalitet koji je opet posledica nekih drugih okolnosti, jer kada ti od uspeha ne zavisi samo komoditet života, jer ne verujem da bi neki pakistanski oficir bio pogubljen ili poslat u neku njihovu verziju sibira zato što nešto nije ispalo dobro, ali bi bio srozan u vojno-hirerhijsko-materijalnom smislu, što je u stvari najgora opcija, hebiga Rusi su imali period gde su ipak strahovali za goli opstanak, pa nisu smeli ni da lažu da je nešto dobro ako to nije tako.Što je bolja opcija(za kvalitet naoružanja).A ovo što si rekao , moguće je da je vrlo slična priča i kod kineza, možda ne baš u svim Tehničko-Razvojnim poljima(negde se ipak ne sme rizikovati sa upitnim kvalitetom i da li je nešto stvarno dobro po izveštaju podredjenog oficira ili je to samo papir a "Papir trpi sve".
Jedino što bi trebalo dodati, da su se u poslednjoj deceniji , slični problemi javili i kod nekih zapadnih proizvoda, da su na papiru mnogo bolji nego u stvarnosti(što je opet posledica neke vrste korupcije izmedju oficira zaduženih za razvoj i nabavku i firmi koje nude svoje proizvode)ali verovatno bitnu razliku u realnim kvalitetima naoružanja, orudja i oružija na zapadu i vojskama koje su se opskrbljivale rusko-kineskim proizvodima, je stav koji je zauzet posle Vijetnama, da Američki vojnik mora biti najbolje opremljen vojnik na svetu, i ta se doktrina zaista nekih 25 godina u dobroj meri poštovala, što je u jednom trenutku i rezultiralo velikim tehnološko-kvalitativnim jazom kod većine orudja i oružja, prozvodnje NATO i rusko-kineskih pandana ili onih koji su kupovali Rusko-kinesku tehniku.(početak-sredina 90-ih je verovatno bilo vremensko razdoblje gde je ta razlika bila ubedljivo najveća u novijoj istoriji).Dobro je da se situacija ipak menja, zbog proste ravnoteže snaga.

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As i have seen it, Antibody as given valuable information some of which is not even available on internet or general sources but i didnt understand why it offended some here? No one is marketing a product, just good info on a system that has and is, serving Pakistan Army well. After the Pressler debacle, we learned the lesson the hard way. This resulted in two major army projects with China. jf-17 and Al-Khalid. AK has inputs from Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian, French and Pakistani technological sources. Off course it has had it share of problems with transmission, engine and gun control but what system in the world doesn't have them? The bottom line is that it is a combo of reliable yet efficient and affordable technologies that get the job done. HIT has been busy in a constant technology improvement program and current batch (AK-1) is the fruit. Next in line is AK-2 but is of a different class (meduim to heavy) MBT. Pakistan Military has been an admirer of Serbian/ Croatian M-84/ series of MBTs and there was even a delegation sent before the Balkans war but the war called of a possible M-84 deal. It was and still is a good MBT in all aspects as it improved the venerable T-72 to a great extent. My favorite is the M-95 Degman Smile

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thanks nabil ;-)


i am trying to collect all media info on ak and have posted in these 2 threads--- posting links for interested members
http://www.defence.pk/forums/land-forces/127686-al.....-pool.html
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-photos-multi.....hread.html

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I što bi se reklo, moja malenkost na ovome drugom linku. Uslikano u pustinji Tamavala pored Bahavalpura. Samo ne znam gdje su našli moju sliku.

Nekoliko slika ispod toga kapretan Amir iz komande oklopnih snaga iz Multana.

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ekser222 ::I što bi se reklo, moja malenkost na ovome drugom linku. Uslikano u pustinji Tamavala pored Bahavalpura. Samo ne znam gdje su našli moju sliku.
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New version of MBT-2000 - interior



Dopuna: 03 Nov 2011 22:19

eksar222, nice picture!

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http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?143996-Pakistan-Army/page29
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.ph.....med-Forces

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Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf gives a model of Al Khalid MBT to Lt Gen Mykhailo Borysiuk, General Designer of Armoured Vehicles and Artillery Systems


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Jos slika unapredjenog VT2/MBT-200 i novog MBT-3000

http://china-defense.blogspot.com/2012/06/norincos.....00gai.html

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Pakistan unveils upgraded Al-Khalid tank, APC:


Gordon Arthur, Karachi, Pakistan Section:

2012-Nov-14


An improved Al-Khalid main battle tank (MBT) and an upgraded armoured personnel carrier (APC) were among the armoured vehicles displayed by Pakistan's state-owned Heavy Industries Taxila (HIT) at the seventh International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) in Karachi.

The Al-Khalid, a product of Chinese and Pakistani co-operation, is currently being marketed overseas by China as the MBT-2000 without Pakistani permission, an HIT spokesman stated . On 8 November HIT moved to close this loophole by signing a memorandum of understanding (MoU) on Al-Khalid exports with Chinese firm Norinco.

An Al-Khalid main battle tank, the premium product of Heavy Industries Taxila, on display at IDEAS 2012. (Gordon Arthur) The MoU arranges for joint marketing and profit sharing between the two partners, as well as ongoing technology transfer. Potential export markets for the Al-Khalid include Bangladesh, Bhutan, Sri Lanka and the Middle East, said the spokesman, who nonetheless acknowledged that it is competing in a very challenging market.

More than 300 of the 46-tonne MBTs have entered Pakistan Army service since 2001 - the first 215 of which were fitted with a Ukrainian engine. Meanwhile, a senior official at Ministry of Defence Procurement said an improved version is nearing induction that will feature a more powerful diesel power pack, improved command and control and better night-fighting capabilities. HIT manufactures around 20 Al-Khalid tanks a year and also produces the Al-Zarrar MBT. A spokesman said HIT has no intention of marketing the latter internationally, adding that its lesser capabilities render it uncompetitive.

HIT also exhibited an improved Talha APC that Qasim Ijaz Cheema, an HIT marketing manager, said had been developed in response to an army request.

HIT has developed the Talha M113P with a cupola and angled add-on armour suite that offers higher protection levels. (Gordon Arthur) The 11.2-tonne Talha is based on the US Combat Systems M113A2/M113A3 series and is often referred to as the M113P. It features a modular armour package consisting of Kevlar sandwiched between steel on the outside and aluminium on the inside and a 1,375 kg bolt-on armour package that can resist 12.7 mm rounds. The M113P, which is armed with a rotating cupola mounting a heavy machine gun and powered by a 275 hp engine, has been sold to Iraq and is also available in a longer version.

Cheema said the Talha and Al-Khalid upgrades reflected HIT's current focus on improving and up-armouring existing products suitable for the type of internal defence duties the armed forces are currently engaged in, rather than developing new vehicle designs.

HIT also displayed three Muhafiz 4x4 armoured vehicle variants in service with Pakistani police, ranger and army units, including the latest 3,200 kg Muhafiz III security vehicle fitted with a remote-controlled weapon system. The latest version is based on a Toyota Land Cruiser chassis and is capable of 120 km/h on roads. The indigenously designed Muhafiz has already won sales to Bangladesh, Iraq and Sri Lanka.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-army/127686-.....z2DuaHogUH

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ISLAMABAD: State-run companies of Pakistan and China today signed a contract for manufacturing the Al-Khalid-I tank, the latest version of the combat vehicle jointly developed by the two countries.

The Al-Khalid tank was developed in the 1990s and introduced in 2001.

The new version has improved capability and systems, an official statement said.

The contract for making the new tanks was signed by Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila and China's NORINCO at the Ministry of Defence Production.

The joint marketing of the Al-Khalid tank with China would open up potential markets, the statement said

Pakistan, China sign contract for manufacturing Al-Khalid-I tank - The Economic Times




Mon, Dec 31, 2012 17:10 CET
Pakistan and China today signed a contract to manufacture a version of the jointly developed Al-Khalid-I tanks.

First developed in the 1990’s, the tank was introduced in 2001 with the new version equipped with has improved capability and systems.

The contract was signed by Pakistan's Heavy Industries Taxila and China's NORINCO at the Ministry of Defence Production.

The joint marketing of the Al-Khalid tank with China would open up potential markets, the statement said.
China, Pakistan To Manufacture New Version Of Al-Khalid Tanks : Defense news

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakistan-army/127686-.....z2MUuHlIzb

Dopuna: 03 Mar 2013 18:10

HIT Al-Khalid

Notes: Also called the MBT-2000 (particularly during development), the Al-Khalid is touted as Pakistan’s first indigenous tank design, but is believed to incorporate much of its design from Type 90-IIs, Type 85s, and some other equipment supplied by China for analysis. Regardless of the origins of the Al-Khalid, it is essentially vehicle dissimilar enough to other tanks to be considered a new design, if not a completely independent one. The Al-Khalid was developed over the period from 1990-99, with production and fielding beginning in 2001. Most Western observers agree that the Al-Khalid is a surprisingly modern and effective design. Some 300 are in service with Pakistan, and they intend to being that total to 600. In addition, 22 Al-Khalids started being delivered to the Bangladeshi Army beginning in May 2008, and the Saudis are reportedly giving the Al-Khalid a hard look to supplement their M-1A2 Abrams tanks.

The design places the driver in the center front of the hull; he has a hatch which opens slightly upwards and to the left as to not interfere with turret rotation if the hatch is open. He has vision blocks giving him views to the right, left, and front; the frontal vision block can be replaced with an IR vision block. The gunner has his own hatch, as the Al-Khalid uses an autoloader instead of a loader crewmember, and has vision blocks that allow vision to the front, rear, and right side. The gunner is equipped with a full night vision suite, including a 2nd-generation thermal imager developed by France. The gunner also has an image intensification scope and a conventional telescopic sight; all of which are stabilized. The commander has his own thermal imager, image intensifier, and conventional telescopic sight, in a separate sensor head that gives the Al-Khalid a hunter-killer capability. The commander also has emergency controls for the main gun and coaxial machinegun. The Al-Khalid has a ballistic computer of French design, along with a laser designator of Chinese design.

The main gun is a version of the Chinese ZPT-98 gun, though the barrel has a length of 48 calibers. The gun is fed by an autoloader that has a capacity of 24 rounds, with additional ammunition being stored in the hull of the Al-Khalid. In addition to being able to fire indigenous and foreign 125mm rounds, the gun can also fire a Chinese license-produced version of 9M119 Reflecks (AT-11 Sniper) gun-launched ATGM. The autoloader is improved over that of the Al-Zarrar, able to handle newer long-rod penetrators. (ATGM rounds must be hand-loaded.) The laser rangefinder acts as a designator when the 9M119 ATGM is fired. The commander’s machinegun can be aimed and fired from under armor. On each side of the turret is a cluster of five smoke grenade launchers. The Al-Kalid has a feature found in most of the newest generation of tanks: a battle management system called Rabhar by the Pakistanis. This is a computerized system that not only monitors the state of the tank and feeds the appropriate information to the crew, but also plots the location of enemy and friendly units and keeps them updated as new information becomes available. It also passes orders from higher headquarters down and allows the commander to give orders to subordinate units, as well as providing any other intelligence and information the commander may require. This system also has GPS, with inertial navigation as a backup. The tank’s electronic systems are connected to large batteries for "silent watch" use.

In development, the Al-Khalid was powered by an MTU-396 diesel engine with a German LSG-3000 transmission. Germany placed an embargo on these items in the mid-1990s due to their stance on development of indigenous nuclear weapons, and this led to the Pakistanis fitting the Al-Khalid with a license-produced Ukrainian KMDB 6TD-2 1200-horsepower engine and a French SESM ESM-500 fully-automatic transmission. This engine had the virtue of being smaller than the German engine, yet provided the same 1200 horsepower. The Al-Khalid can carry auxiliary fuel tanks at the rear a la Russian/Chinese tanks, though in practice they are little used except in long road marches.

Armor protection is modular, allowing for quick battle damage repairs and improvement as more advanced armor becomes available or heavier armor is desired. Frontal armor is composite and of Pakistani design, with side armor being spaced; it is of a more modern design than that on the Al-Zarrar and lighter in weight. The turret front, turret sides, glacis, and hull sides have lugs for ERA. Attention was paid to land mine damage in the form of thickened floor armor. The ammunition is carried in armored bins, and virtually the entire vehicle has thick Kevlar anti-spalling blankets. The engine also has a thick bulkhead separating it from the crew compartment. An automatic explosion and fire suppression system is provided, and the crew has an NBC overpressure system; the engine compartment and ammunition bins have their own systems of the same sort. The Al-Khalid has a laser detection system that can automatically trigger smoke grenades to block the laser, and a radar warning system that can give the crew a chance to take evasive action.

Twilight 2000 Notes: Though the Pakistanis were able to field some Al-Khalids in the Twilight 2000 timeline, only some 50 or so were available for the Twilight War.


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