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+ Radio "Eho Moskve", emisija "Arsenal"A. Naryshkin " Good evening, "Arsenal", today it leads Alexander Kurennoy and Alex Naryshkin, our guest - Vyacheslav Halitov, Deputy chief Director of special equipment "Uralvagonzavod".
A. Kurennoy - Perhaps the hottest issue on the subject, all subjects appeared news days that we will soon, in February, the army received the first batch of "Armata" is? That will deliver and in what quantity?
V. Halitov - we are Talking about industrial batch, which, in accordance with the contract with the Ministry of defense, enters the troops in February-March.
A. Kurennoy Is the tank on the platform of "Armata"?
V. Halitov - We already talked about the fact that now being developed on the platform of "Armata" three of the sample is directly tank, combat vehicle, infantry fighting vehicle, heavy and armoured repair machine. It is assumed in the experimental-industrial batch supply tank and heavy IFV.
A. Kurennoy And immediately to the troops on combat duty?
V. Halitov - No, it's experimental-industrial batch, which is intended for experimental use in the army. That is, this is the period when equipment is operated directly in the army, and during this control operation, the conclusions, then decisions are made on development - this is normal creature technique development.
A. Naryshkin - So it is ready and heavy BPM. How many first party will be pieces?
V. Halitov - In this game? We have already mentioned in passing that a little more than 20 units.
A. Naryshkin - These prototypes mod you might return, saying that they are not happy?
V. Halitov - Of Course. During operation will have some questions regarding modifications of these products. It is assumed fairly intensive use of machines. Of course, we will finalize and depending on need revision in the factory or military, will depend on the decision to return these vehicles to the company or not.
A. Naryshkin - last time you said that the machine on the platform of "Armata" will participate in the Parade - the plans have not changed?
V. Halitov - today just from this pilot batch are expected to participate machines on parade.
A. Kurennoy - But not only specialists from the Ministry of defense will follow, and your team, too, as there are tests?
V. Halitov - because we are the ones options, and the demands on the machines, the characteristics that sets defense, we should check in different climatic conditions, geographical, is our responsibility. Show how the machine will lead to different conditions.
A. Naryshkin - But in Antarctica not taking?
V. Halitov - Why? There is a very close to Arctic conditions, and not necessarily to bring in Antarctica. For example, the Pechenga - why not?
A. Naryshkin Tell us about the future calendar. Last date - Victory Parade, where these machines will be. What's next? Put a solid role in the army?
V. Halitov - It depends on many factors. First of all, as you show yourself operation.
A. Naryshkin - If you take the optimistic scenario?
V. Halitov, provided that the production and the machine passed all kinds of tests, confirmed specifications and is ready for mass production, I think it 2017-2018,
A. Naryshkin - There is already a specific order - how many wants the defense Ministry tanks, for example?
V. Halitov - This figure was announced by the Supreme commander-in-chief, saying that they have to pay back conditions - 30% probability modern-looking samples of the armed forces by 2015 And 70% by 2020. It already sounds like a duty and an order for the aircraft. and for the industry. And there was given to a figure more than 2,300 units. We proceed from this figure, and by 2020, I think that probably this number will be ordered by the defense Ministry. But you have to understand that now there are such circumstances that there are certain risks perform this scope of work.
A. Kurennoy Tatiana asks the question: "What will be different machines on the basis of "Armata" from the previous ones?
V. Halitov - firstly, it is a machine of the fifth generation. You have to understand that there are technical reserve, which was formed in the coming years - it was implemented. This is a very important point that I would like to mention. The second is not quite conventional, unconventional layout of the machine. Provides very high security of the crew. Now the direct contact of the crew, as was previously with ammunition, fuel, does not occur. Now the crew is separated. In the case of detonation of ammunition, ignition of the fuel, the crew is protected.
A. Naryshkin - that is, if the "Armata" gets the rocket, then what?
V. Halitov - With high probability the crew remains alive - high probability of protection of the machine itself, that is, its ability to perform combat missions, we proceeded from that.
A. Naryshkin - So "Armat" T-14, " there is some specificity to the tower?
V. Halitov - Yes, it's uninhabited combat module. Earlier in the tower were the crew gunner, commander, this is considered a combat crew module. Now there is uninhabited combat module of people there. This is done to increase the survivability of the crew and machines in General.
A. Naryshkin - So at the bottom, probably very closely?
V. Halitov - Well, there isn't quite closely.
A. Naryshkin - As in there, tell us?
V. Halitov - the Main thing that we have created conditions in the previous machines only fourth generation began to appear. That is, we have created a completely functional conditions for the crew. Improved ergonomics, created suitable conditions for the actions of the crew for a long time in the car, air conditioning system, heating.
A. Naryshkin - toilet there?
V. Halitov - No, we do not build toilets. The saying, which was acceptable for tanks, you probably don't know about it, - it is now unacceptable for this machine.
A. Naryshkin - as I understand it, will not announce the saying.
A. Kurennoy - Denis: "Why the choice was made in favor of a classic caliber 125 mm, and decided to put the model 152 mm, which is guaranteed to be destroyed tank of any possible enemy?"
V. Halitov - there are both pluses and minuses. We must understand that the choice of a larger caliber always brings with it an increase in the weight of the machine as a whole. In any case, we have provided, we have such platform-modular design of the machine. So we can change the module 125 mm module 152 mm, can supply module 30 mm.
A. Naryshkin - How to lead a tank at "Armat"?
V. Halitov - we have the concept. Which persists for a long time, she went back to the Soviet times. We do main battle tank. If we take the weight category - eat light, medium and heavy. We stopped on the main battle tank, it is close to the average tank, weight is a medium tank.
A. Naryshkin - is it True that the "Armata" full view?
V. Halitov - Panoramic sight. Yes, indeed, we now see the battlefield on 360 degrees.
A. Naryshkin - some computers?
V. Halitov and Technical solutions, it's our intellectual property, so we have to talk about it will not. As we have implemented this principle. Importantly, this principle has been implemented. You do with your phone, panoramic photos?
A. Naryshkin - No, I don't like my hands are shaking.
V. Halitov - you Need to get a new phone.
A. Naryshkin is Unlikely to help. Vladimir from Belgorod asks, what is the percentage of imports, and components "Armat"?
V. Halitov - actually this is privileged information, but, first, we have now absolutely clear to us, and the plan for import substitution. We are not so much dependent, actually. Dependent only in the electronic component database, and then we found the way how to solve the problem.
A. Naryshkin - For how many years will you be able to break free from this addiction?
V. Halitov - No more than 4-5 years.
A. Naryshkin Is long. Usually our guests say 2-3 years.
V. Halitov, Each with their own estimates of the reality of events. We think that those elements that we use now. Foreign, development and implementation of something and succeed. That is, we need first to develop elemental component base, that is, those building blocks of electronic architecture. And then to set development on the basis of this electronic architecture.
A. Naryshkin Program of import substitution have already started?
V. Halitov - have Already begun.
A. Naryshkin - How do you feel in terms of sanctions, your Corporation? It seems to me, Surrounded on all sides.
V. Halitov - our colleague before this transfer was condemned by the impact of sanctions, and talked about ditty that goes from us:
My milinak from boredom at night sniffing socks
Curses sanctions, loves cheese from France
So we're fine with sanctions.
A. Naryshkin - What is "normal"?
V. Halitov - we have quite a normal path of development for the next three years. We have contracts that we do, there is absolutely sustainable development of enterprise, we loaded a specific export contracts, internal from the Ministry of defense and other customers. So sanctions literally in us in some critical condition drove, I can't say. Goes perfectly calm, systematic work.
A. Naryshkin - do you Have an estimate how long you last year because of sanctions lost?
A. Kurennoy And lost there in principle?
A. Naryshkin - Think lost, I'm sure.
V. Halitov is Due to the fact that the defense Ministry is literally two years ago switched to the conclusion of a three-year contracts, we now have a three-year long-term contracts. They were all signed in the past two year. So, now what is the impact of the sanctions? - we have signed contracts with our suppliers, they create certain insurance reserves due to these agreements. That is, we now for the next two or three years, we have for unconditional execution of various contracts. Then Yes, probably, we will feel this influence in some way.
The only thing here, of course, is the higher cost for raw materials. Here arises a problem, but we with our suppliers, with whom we already work quite a long time, we will solve this problem.
A. Naryshkin - Russian Suppliers?
V. Halitov - mostly Russian.
A. Kurennoy - is it True that during testing "Armat" failed to impress - no rockets or grenade launchers, nothing?
V. Halitov - Well, I would not like myths to tell. I can only confirm that the characteristics and requirements that were asked of the defense Ministry, confirmed.
A. Kurennoy Not brought any confrontation "Armat" with "terminator"?
V. Halitov - But what's the point? If you compare, you should compare with any analogue in the world. "The terminator" and "Armat" different in functionality and purpose of the machine. To compare it with the same tank, analogue. But as the analogue in the world "Armat" no, you can not compare it with anything.
A. Naryshkin - how Much lead this pass, guests admit that the Americans are ahead of us in many developments. And you say that there are no analogs in the world. As Americans it is made, what are they?
V. Halitov - first, have a little look at history. Always the USSR, Russia was operahouse in the area of the tank. We have always created machines that were a step ahead compared to other machines. Then all of us were repeated. It's the same situation. In recent years, tens of years, nothing we had not submitted new to create a new fighting machine. For example, Germany - modernization "Leopard", 6,7-I version. USA - modernization "Abrams", also the 4.5 version upgrade, and no cars. And we are talking about that has created a completely new car, tank 5-th generation.
A. Naryshkin - it Turns out that more money spent?
V. Halitov - In any case, you have once to go to the new machine, which for its combat capability surpass the previous. Once they need to go. And this transition has still to start somewhere, it can't all the time to stay on the potential to upgrade existing tanks. In the end, it is necessary to create a new platform, jump on it and then on it to create a tank Park SU.
A. Naryshkin - was Recently hearing about your plant, supposedly you have begun massive layoffs. Yes, no?
V. Halitov - No, it is not so. Turnover has constantly come, people go away, is the normal state. We do not go beyond the percent of staff turnover.
A. Naryshkin - wage Cuts?
V. Halitov same thing. I just told you that we have touched on contracts, we perform the contracts. If an entity is loaded, there are contracts, and long, what kind of dismissal of people can be involved? On the contrary, we have in recent years due to the fact that increased significantly the state - at times, if we literally five years ago was released dozens of cars, the last year for the Corporation as a whole we have produced more than one and a half units.
A. Naryshkin Is your record?
V. Halitov Is in General the Corporation is not only tanks. We produce not only tanks.
A. Naryshkin - And this year, what is the prognosis - how much will issue machines?
V. Halitov somewhere too about the same amount.
A. Naryshkin will Make a short break and will return to the Studio.
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A. Naryshkin - Continue the program.
A. Kurennoy - economy is not all great, but, nevertheless, last year was an interesting experience - spent their own forum in Nizhny Tagil. This year save, or will hold? If will be, what it will show?
V. Halitov - of Course, this year will hold. But now the main organizer is the Ministry of industry and trade. This exhibition, which will be held from 9 to 12 September this year, it will, of course, already a bit of a different approach, because we have decided to expand the program dynamic display technology.
A. Naryshkin - what is It? When all the fires?
V. Halitov - On practice. Yes, when all the fires we show fire equipment capabilities.
A. Naryshkin - the Exhibition will be held in Tagil?
V. Halitov - Yes. We are also planning to increase the amount of equipment involved and stationary display, the number of enterprises that will participate too. And quite a long list of States that are invited to the exhibition.
A. Naryshkin, For Instance?
V. Halitov Is more than 60 countries, our potential export customers.
A. Naryshkin - Who is the most potential customer, China?
V. Halitov - No, with China, we export not working. This is mainly India, of course.
A. Naryshkin - And why China is not interested in your products?
V. Halitov - They are also interested, but mostly our promising developments.
A. Naryshkin Something to eat?
V. Halitov - for Example, great interest was aroused at the last exhibition of our upgraded T-90, it is our combat vehicle combat support "Terminator" and other products.
A. Naryshkin - Interest resulted in a contract?
V. Halitov - No, this has not happened. But with other States we have contracts signed. The ultimate goal of any exhibition - the signing of contracts, of course. Now last year's exhibition we were allowed to sign contracts with our major customers from abroad.
. Naryshkin[/b] - India, and who else?
V. Halitov - Our client advises us not live to disclose their names.
A. Naryshkin - Oh.
A. Kurennoy is Here now.
A. Naryshkin - Well, I guess.
A. Kurennoy - Refer to the civil sector. "Uralvagonzavod" is called. Are there any new projects in the civilian sector, " maybe it will help in a difficult economic situation?
V. Halitov - of Course. Recently, we demonstrated the tram, which is developed by our company "Uraltransmash", we believe that this tram has a future. We have some developments in cars, we have developed and ready to produce tanks, made of a new composite material cars. In this regard, we are currently working with. Regarding the dual-purpose techniques the same direction develops. We now pokazali at the exhibition last year, a special fire truck, it is a complex fire fighting, and rescue operations. It is intended not only for the Ministry of defense, by the way, we completed state testing this sample and prepared its production, can produce it in sufficient quantities. This sample can be used in emergency situations Ministry and the defense Ministry and other ministries.
The car is very interesting. Imagine, it only brings 25 cubes of water, as water. The length of the stream reach more than 100 meters - just what you need to extinguish, if nearly impossible to approach the place of fire. Also there everything is provided for evacuation of people from the zone of fire.
A. Kurennoy - Can we talk about the tram in more detail - what is different?
V. Halitov - Tram we detail were recently presented at the exhibition. First, it is very convenient. Made of modern design, interesting enough, there is already all the necessary things that accompany modern man " and "Wi-Fi", and TVs, and convenient system of payment. Fundamentally new materials used. We try to do more high quality and reasonable price.
A. Naryshkin - I saw that on the development of the first sample you have spent about 300 million rubles - a huge amount.
V. Halitov - Development and serial production are two different things. On the development of the "Armata" we spent obviously not as much as it now stands in the series, much more. This search, engineering, and for her to pay. The election of this or that design solutions.
A. Naryshkin - What is the priority of the "Uralvagonzavod" this year, what are the tasks set?
V. Halitov Is, of course, providing military parade on may 9 is our highest priority. To prepare the experimental-industrial batch, send it to the troops, to prepare for the parade is the highest priority. The second is to comply with all state jobs in defense procurement 2015. We have all the conditions. Plus export contracts we have in this year's run, of course. These three main areas.
In addition, we have a number of investment projects, which we are in initiative order. We are now such projects are more than 15 for a total of about 4 billion rubles. It is also quite interesting developments, these developments we agree with the defense Ministry. Direction different from robotics to create machines for the Arctic brigades.
A. Naryshkin - Combat vehicles?
V. Halitov - of Course, fighting, and providing.
A. Naryshkin is Preparing in full swing for war in the Arctic?
V. Halitov - first, in the Arctic already posted part of the forces and resources of the armed forces. We for them in the perimeter of our Corporation is the company "Vityaz", which is engaged in the development of two tractors. We are at the BAE of the company, based on the KB, which it has developed machines for the Arctic, in initiative order.
Plus we are upgrading existing tanks T-72, T-90, continue to develop a fighting vehicle fire support "the Terminator" - you saw, we had the first one version, then another and we never stop, because we believe that this is one of the priority areas. I think in any case we will pass on such machines. She just now undervalued until the end. But I think that in the near future will resolve this issue.
A. Naryshkin- "the Terminator" at what stage now.
A. Kurennoy - It is already there.
V. Halitov - We held a demonstration at the last exhibition.
A. Naryshkin And state tests?
V. Halitov He completes testing, demonstration we will hold at the next exhibition, which will be September 9.
A. Naryshkin - And on the red square why it will not?
V. Halitov - Its still not buying the defense Ministry.
A. Naryshkin was papertowels, sorry.
V. Halitov - Why? Any sample should have a finished version, designed for warfare. First of all, necessary for the Ministry of defense for armed forces. To papertowels can, but what's the point? To spend money in the void?
A. Naryshkin - But you're now spending money in the void?
V. Halitov - Why? We have export orders for this car. We are now working in the interests of a foreign principal. And the fact that he underestimated - I said the defense Ministry.
A. Naryshkin - it Turns out that the "Terminator" this export thing?
V. Halitov - Now Yes, it is now only export potential and export contracts.
A. Naryshkin Also in India?
V. Halitov - We have put in Kazakhstan.
A. Naryshkin - How many pieces?
V. Halitov Is closed.
A. Naryshkin - Happy, not complaining?
A. Kurennoy - And what are they going to complain? It would be nice to Syria, I guess.
V. Halitov - This machine is indispensable in the conduct of combat operations in urban environments. It is a level of protection equal to the tank and firepower replaces infantry division. It is necessary to protect personnel.
A. Kurennoy - a Listener asks: "do you have any "Terminator" later translate to the platform "Armat"?
V. Halitov - And why not?
A. Kurennoy - Considering the option?
V. Halitov - Of Course. If we mod will allow you to use the "Armata" as a platform and will be allowed to sell on the export - why not?
A. Naryshkin- "Armat" can now export to sell?
V. Halitov Not.
A. Kurennoy - We were not talking about a heavy IFV than it should be? Changed weapons, armor?
V. Halitov - If the answer to questions a heavy IFV I would say is probably the first time in Russia and in the Soviet times, is developed and really the task of the Ministry of defense to develop such a machine, it is difficult BPM. We have infantry fighting vehicle, but it's easy armoured vehicle. And this armor ravensymone, ravnopraviya with a tank this machine. That is, imagine the level of protection of the crew, the same infantry division?
And in General, we believe that the concept of development is especially armored vehicles and armament that, one way or another, given the very rapidly developing weapons tanks, heavy armored vehicles, will gradually move it on the hard platform. Because the first is a high level of protection.
Although of course, lost other means - for example, buoyancy, but this off-road machine, highly protected. Now we have the road infrastructure is such that we can and bridges to cross, and we have now developed in the engineering troops crossing airborne means. But fording is not such a big problem, as was, for example, before. Therefore it is better to reliably protect the crew, to reliably protect the machine itself, that is, its ability for a long time to fight, this is more important. Especially in urban environments.
A. Naryshkin - you said that You will give 1500 thousands of techniques, that is, except the "Armata"?
V. Halitov Is upgraded tanks, self propelled guns. With regard to joining now armored repair plants, which previously belonged to the Spetsremont, "Oboronservis", we are now including produced overhaul BTR, BMP. In sum, this gives the number of which I spoke.
A. Naryshkin - How BPM matches the style of warfare in the cities? BMP in principle, as a class machine?
V. Halitov - speaking of lightly armored IFV, of course, it doesn't exactly meet the requirements of reference, especially in urban environments. I repeat, is not high enough security motorized rifle division, the crew on one of these machines. There low armor.
Because, firstly, the designer has to solve complex problems - on the one hand, to increase the security of the machine by various methods, and on the other hand, the machine must comply with the terms of buoyancy, must move afloat. This is a difficult task indeed. However, this machine also has a place to be as a means of armed struggle.
For example, such machines, probably as speed, mobility, more acceptable to the armed forces. Solving some task - mobility, portability and other issues that are associated with such lightbrownish machines.
A. Naryshkin - Wanted to ask about Ukraine for the last 25 years was there some kind of contract for the supply of equipment "Uralvagonzavod round - tanks, infantry fighting vehicles?
V. Halitov - No, we have no such orders were not.
A. Kurennoy - they Kharkiv cost. Can't relay the question from the Captain Kolesnikov: "Who are now engaged in the development of engines for armored vehicles plant and increased quality of aggregates engines?"
V. Halitov, I think, last time he asked the question, is it possible from a sniper rifle to stop a tank?
A. Kurennoy He usually professional questions, so it is unlikely that it was.
V. Halitov we Have known of the Chelyabinsk tractor plant, that is our company, it is part of the Corporation. In addition, the Corporation includes research institutes, which directly deal with the problems of the diesel industry in General. These companies do.
A. Naryshkin - Andrew asks to talk about the armament of the tank Armata", what is it? Gun, any means of defense is, " sorry my amateurism.
V. Halitov - we have such a "Terminator" do not create. There is no sense to make one sample, and air defense means, and means for destruction of ground targets. The tank in its traditional form, it is a tank. Tank, as before, performs the tasks of struggle with the same armored targets, with the infantry. All weapons aimed at solving these problems.
A. Kurennoy - What guns are?
A. Naryshkin - Large.
V. Halitov - Let's at least something we will leave to see, and it will be interesting to 9 may. We are now in the Internet look - so much fantasy on this topic.
A. Naryshkin And the crew is getting ready to be seated in these tanks?
V. Halitov is a question not to me, but to the Ministry of defense.
A. Kurennoy In the Internet went several options for the appearance of "Armata" - even if someone guessed?
V. Halitov - I Think not. You can make the image of a machine based on the information that is presented to the public, but it doesn't mean anything really. Now the appearance of the machine is not entirely secret. Yes, any machine - here we show the "Leopards", "Abrams" exhibitions - open information, go and take pictures. But the problem lies not in the external appearance. It can be characterized by some parameters of the machine, but not entirely. The secret lies precisely in certain design decisions, application of materials, different builds of the fire control system, for example, and other things that greatly increase the combat potential of the machine, the characteristics of the power plant, units and assemblies of the suspension. The common man is not seen actually, and the designer understands what I mean, he understands the advantages of this machine. So now you can tell subtlety is a long conversation.
A. Naryshkin - Can I give you a piece of paper, you will draw, and then on the website we will hang it. You do not want?
A. Kurennoy - it is Assumed that the "Armata" will be used for new types of ammunition, or omnivores?
V. Halitov He is omnivorous.
A. Naryshkin - And the last question - six months ago I was asked, but the question is relevant - your tanks in Ukraine now are?
V. Halitov - No, this is impossible legally.
A. Naryshkin - And suddenly you just don't know?
V. Halitov - I know everything.
A. Naryshkin - We were lucky. Join us next time, we have developed a schedule of once every six months - we will wait for you in the summer. Thank you very much.
V. Halitov - bye.
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