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@ Kniks:
To sta se uci na prvoj godini pravnog fakulteta nema toliku tezinu koliko nesto sto se uci na geopolitici ili geoekonomiji, ali stvarno ne bih smarao ovde prisutne ljude time - slazem se sa tvojim stavkama od 1) do 4) sta su americki interesi i kratkorocni planovi, ali stvarno ne vidim zasto ne bismo iskoristili sve od tih tacaka u svoju korist (narocito broj 4)). Smatram da mozemo da to iskoristimo, a to sto ti smatras da necemo NIKAD moci, e to je tvoje licno misljenje. Sve ostalo sto si naveo kada je prostor Balkana u pitanju je potpuno tacno i slazem se sa tobom. Razilazimo se samo u pogledu pravaca razvoja te situacije, jer smatram da svaka situacija moze da se iskoristi kao potencijal za nesto sto nama odgovara - treba samo biti jedinstven po tom pitanju i delovati pravovremeno.
Mogu da navodim mnogo primera iz svakodnevnog politickog zivota zemalja slicnih nama, ali to mozemo da pricamo na pp, jer je tema ovog posta ipak novi avion za nasu vojsku, i to pitanje ima znacajne veze s politikom, ali nismo na politickom, nego na vojno-tehnoloskom forumu. Vidim da si veoma upucen u politiku i da je tvoj pogled na temu baziran na politickom aspektu, ali to nije sve sto moramo razmotriti prilikom nabavke novog aviona
Samo kratak reply na Afganistan, i sta je dobio americkom pomoci - dobio je to sto je izbacio Ruse iz svoje zemlje, plativsi prilikom veliku cenu, ali su zahvaljujuci sto pomoci Amera, sto zahvaljujuci neorganizovanosti i nagrizenosti sovjetske imperije, uspeli da se odbrane i naprave od Afganistana "ruski Vijetnam"... Ostalo mozemo na pp, ako zelis...
@Mean machine:
Slazem se da je MiG-29 jeftiniji ,ali moram da podsetim da kupovina polovnih "dvadesetdevetki" resava pitanje najvise do 2015. godine , kada tim avionima isticu resursi, i to je bila jedna od boljki tih starijih generacija ovog aviona, jer su mu resursi jako brzo isticali, servisni interval bio veoma kratak, itd... (Mixelotti je u ovo upucen) To je ispravljeno vec sa verzijom SMT, i svim novijim od toga. Tako da uvidjas da nama glavni problem nastupa posle tog perioda, kada ipak moramo da kupimo nove avione, a oni su kao sto smo vec videli jako skupi, tako da obrni - okreni, ako hocemo lovacku avijaciju, moramo da istresemo debele pare (500-700 miliona evra)
Zeleo bih malo da obradim i americke predstavnike u ovom takmicenju, jer sam za njih ostao duzan TT podatke. Dakle da saznamo nesto malo vise o F-16, F-18 i F-35
Boeing - Mc Donnell Douglas F-16:
TT podaci:
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Specifications (F-16C Block 30)
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 49 ft 5 in (14.8 m)
Wingspan: 32 ft 8 in (9.8 m)
Height: 16 ft (4.8 m)
Wing area: 300 ft² (27.87 m²)
Airfoil: NACA 64A204 root and tip
Empty weight: 18,238 lb (8,272 kg)
Loaded weight: 26,463 lb (12,003 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 42,300 lb (16,875 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-220 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 280pk (64.9 kN)
Thrust with afterburner: 23,770 lbf (105.7 kN)
Alternate powerplant: 1× General Electric F110-GE-100 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 17,155 lbf (76.3 kN)
Thrust with afterburner: 28,985 lbf (128.9 kN)
Performance
Maximum speed: >Mach 2 (1,320 mph, 2,124 km/h) at altitude
Combat radius: 340 mi (295 nm, 550 km) on a hi-lo-hi mission with six 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs
Ferry range: >3,200 mi (2,800 nm, 4,800 km)
Service ceiling: >55,000 ft (15,000 m)
Rate of climb: 300 ft/min (260 m/s)
Wing loading: 88.2 lb/ft² (431 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight: F100 .898; F110 1.095
Armament
Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61 Vulcan gatling gun, 511 rounds
Rockets: 2¾ in (70 mm) CRV7
Missiles:
Air-to-air missiles:
6× AIM-9 Sidewinder or
6× AIM-120 AMRAAM or
6× Python-4
Air-to-ground missiles:
6× AGM-65 Maverick or
4× AGM-88 HARM
Anti-ship missiles: 4× AGM-119 Penguin
Bombs:
2× CBU-87 cluster
2× CBU-89 gator mine
2× CBU-97
4× GBU-10 Paveway
6× GBU-12 Paveway II
6× Paveway-series laser-guided bombs
4× JDAM
4× Mk 80 series
B61 nuclear bomb
Slike:
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Boeing - Mc Donnell Douglas F-18:
TT:
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Specifications (F/A-18E Block II)
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 60 ft 1¼ in (18.31 m)
Wingspan: 44 ft 8½ in (13.62 m)
Height: 16 ft (4.88 m)
Wing area: 500 ft² (46 m²)
Empty weight: 30,564 lb (13,864 kg
Basic weight: 31,500 lb (14,288 kg)
Fighter configuration: 47,000 lb (21,320 kg)
Internal fuel capacity: 14,000 lb (6,350 kg)
External fuel capacity: 5× 480 gal tanks, totaling 16,380 lb (7,430 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 66,000 lb (29,900 kg)
Powerplant: 2× General Electric F414-GE-400 turbofans
Dry thrust: 14,000 lbf (62 kN) each
Thrust with afterburner: 22,000 lbf (98 kN) each
Performance
Maximum speed: >Mach 1.8 (1,188 mph, 1,911 km/h) at high altitude
Range: 681 mi (592 nm, 1,095 km) on hi-hi-hi interdiction mission with 4× 1,000 lb (450 kg) bombs, 2× AIM-9 Sidewinder missiles, and 2× drop tanks
Combat radius: 150 nm (173 mi, 278 km) 135 min maritime air superiority mission with 6 AAMs and 3 drop tanks
Service ceiling: >50,000 ft (15,000 m)
Wing loading: 92.8 lb/ft² (453 kg/m²)
Armament
Guns: 1× 20 mm (0.787 in) M61A1/A2 Vulcan cannon
Hardpoints: 11 with a capacity of 17,750 lb (8,050 kg),with provisions to carry combinations of:
Rockets: LAU-series multiple launchers for 70 mm (2.76 in) Hydra 70 air-to-surface unguided rockets
Missiles:
2× AIM-9 Sidewinder on wingtips
AIM-120 AMRAAM
AGM-84 Harpoon
AGM-88 HARM
AGM-84E SLAM
SLAM-ER
AGM-65 Maverick missiles
Bombs:
AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon
Joint Direct Attack Munition
B57 or B61 freefall nuclear bombs
Paveway LGBs
Mk 80 series general-purpose bombs
Mk-20 Rockeye II and CBU-series cluster bombs
Avionics
Raytheon APG-79 AESA
Fotke:
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(multinacionalni projekat) F-35:
TT:
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Specifications (F-35 Lightning II)
Some information is estimated.
General characteristics
Crew: 1
Length: 50 ft 6 in (15.37 m)
Wingspan: 35 ft 0 in (10.65 m)
Height: 17 ft 4 in (5.28 m)
Wing area: 459.6 ft² (42.7 m²)
Empty weight: 26,000 lb (12,000 kg)
Loaded weight: 44,400 lb (20,100 kg)
Max takeoff weight: 60,000 lb (27,200 kg)
Powerplant: 1× Pratt & Whitney F135 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 28,000 lbf (128 kN)[31])
Thrust with afterburner: 43,000 lbf (191 kN w/AB)
Secondary (High Performance), in development: 1× General Electric/Rolls-Royce F136 afterburning turbofan, >178 kN (40,000 lbf)
Lift fan (STOVL): 1× Rolls-Royce Lift System in conjunction with either F135 or F136 power plant, 18,000 lbf (80 kN)
Performance
Maximum speed: >Mach 1.6 (1,200 mph, 1,930 km/h)
Range: ≈1,200 nm (1,400 mi, 2,200 km) on internal fuel
Rate of climb: classified (not publicly available)
Wing loading: 91.4 lb/ft² (446 kg/m²)
Thrust/weight:
With full fuel: 0.968
With 50% fuel: 1.22[31]
F-35A and F-35C ArmamentArmament
1 × GAU-12/U 25 mm cannon — slated to be mounted internally with 180 rounds in the F-35A and fitted as an external pod with 220 rounds in the F-35B and F-35C.
Internally (current planned weapons for integration) — up to four AIM-120 AMRAAM, AIM-9X Sidewinder or AIM-132 ASRAAM internally or two air-to-air and two air-to-ground weapons (up to two 2,000 lb weapons in A and C models; two 1000 lb weapons in the B model) in the bomb bays. These could be AMRAAM, the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) — up to 2,000 lb (910 kg), the Joint Standoff Weapon (JSOW), Small Diameter Bombs (SDB) — a maximum of 4 in each bay, the Brimstone anti-armor missiles, Cluster Munitions (WCMD) and High Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM). The MBDA Meteor air-to-air missile is currently being adapted to fit internally in the missile spots and may be integrated into the F-35.
At the expense of being more detectable by radar, many more missiles, bombs and fuel tanks can be attached on four wing pylons and two wingtip positions.[citation needed] The two wingtip pylons can only carry short-range air-to-air missiles (AIM-9's), while the Storm Shadow and Joint Air to Surface Stand-off Missile (JASSM) cruise missiles can be carried in addition to the stores already integrated. An air-to-air load of 12 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9s is conceivable using internal and external weapons stations (as well as a configuration of six two thousand pound bombs, 2 AIM-120s, and 2 AIMs), but highly unlikely in any operational scenario.
Avion:
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