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Sovjetski vazduhoplovi u Američkim rukama

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Мислим да је у САД стигао 21 авион, а не 27.

И слаже се, 21 САД, 6 Молдавија, 4 Јемен, један се срушио/оборен (по руским изворима није оборен), један Румунија.



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U tom slucaju ima smisla za Jemen i taj jedan izgubljen ali svakako otpadaju informacije vezane za neke Africke zemlje ili vece brojke a vezano za Jemen



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Tema moldavskih 29-ki je ovde elaborirana vise puta iz raznih izvora....
Samo ja sam bar 2 x pisao ovde o tome.
U Markulesti je 1989 stiglo 32 jednoseda i 2 dvoseda:
i to sa brojevima:

1 do 12 i 14 (broj 13 je preskocen a 14 je dosao naknadno umesto izgubljenog #5)...svi novi iz fabrike 9.13
20 do 29 (7 su bili primerci 9.12 koji su prethodno sluzili u Madjarskoj a preostala dva #24 i # 29 novi 9.13, za broj #26 nemam info)
40 do 49 - opet novi 9.13
dvosedi 61 i 62 (s tim sto su Moldavci nakon 1992 primerak 62 prenumerisali u 60)

U Jemen su prodati
1 dvosed
3 jednoseda (9.13)

21 prodat USA 1997 godine (14 x 9.13, 6 x 9.12, 1 x 9.51)
1 predat Rumunima u prvoj polovini 199 -ih (9.13)
6 aviona 9.13 ostalo Moldavcima

2 aviona unistena u katastrofama (udesima) u 1990 godine samo nakon par meseci od dolaska, u trenutku dok u puku jos nije ni bilo aviona dvoseda MiG-29UB).

bort 23 i to udes 24. aprila 1990 (2960516769) dakle 9.12
bort 05 katasrofa 25. maj 1990 (2960717455) dakle novi 9.13 (u katastrofi poginuo p.pukovnik komandir 1. od 3 eskadrile puka).

Inace 2 dvoseda bortovi 61 i 62 su isporuceni u puk neposredno pre ove tragedije u Maju 1990. godine (dotle su leteli MiG-21UM), i nedostatak dvoseda za obuku i odrzavanje trenaze kod starijih oficira je oznacan kao jedan od uzroka za ove udese-katastrofe....

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Odlicno,hvala na detaljnim podacima
Znaci u startu su UB bili 60 i 62
A onda nakon prenumerisanja 60 i 61?
Ako se taj udes dogodio 1989 onda ipak svakako mozemo reci da je Moldavija nasledila 33 primerka

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nebkv ::Odlicno,hvala na detaljnim podacima
Znaci u startu su UB bili 60 i 62
A onda nakon prenumerisanja 60 i 61?
Ako se taj udes dogodio 1989 onda ipak svakako mozemo reci da je Moldavija nasledila 33 primerka


Dopunio sam prethodni post....
Po meni je sporan samo bort #26 (preostalih 32 aviona nisu sporni i njihova sudbina je poznata).
On (#26) je ili oboren 1992. ili je jednostavno pre odvajanja Moldavije poslat na neki remont ili opravku sa koje se nije vratio u jedinicu (do odcepljenja Moldavije)....
Inace Moldavski 9.12 su bili rani primerci (iz prve polovine 1980-ih, moguce tamo negde 1983/4 godiste) tako da su oni 1992. godine vec bili pred remontom....

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Citat: Ako se taj udes dogodio 1989 onda ipak svakako mozemo reci da je Moldavija nasledila 33 primerka

Гаврилон је написао да су се два срушила 1990. Дакле Молдавија је наследила 32.

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zixo ::Гаврилон је написао да су се два срушила 1990. Дакле Молдавија је наследила 32.

90% da je tako...Kroz sam puk je proslo 35 aviona....2 su izgubljena...ovaj jedan je verovatno pre otcepljenja poslat na opravku ili eventualno u neku drugu jedinicu itd....

Inace imam info da su Moldavci pre prodaje aviona USA, nudili prvo da predaju Ukrajni polovinu svoje flote 29-ki u zamenu za pomoc u odrzavanju preostale polovine flote i skolovanje svojih pilota (kako za avione tako i za helikoptere)....posto je Ukrajna sama nasledila preko 200 MiG-29 njima ova ponuda nije bila interesantna tako da su nakon toga Moldavci prodali 21 avion Americi....
Moldavija je za svoje 29-ke imala samo 4 pilota od kojih je samo jedan bio pilot (kapetan) sa najvisom kategorijom borbene osposobljenosti za ovaj tip.....

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Ako je 35 proslo kroz jedinicu,dva izgubljena 1990 onda taj jedan ostaje sporan
Ako je srusen 1992 onda je nasledila 33 a ako je ranije negde zavrsio onda 32
U svakom slucaju ono sto je za ovu temu bitno 21 je zavrsio u SAD

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Area 51 Test Pilot Died During Heroic Su-27 Flight: Report

Citat:Back in 2017, U.S. Air Force Lt. Col. Eric "Doc" Schultz, a highly experienced and respected test pilot, died in a mysterious crash in the Nevada desert near Area 51. Afterward, it was speculated, among a number of possibilities, that Schultz was the head of a top-secret squadron, nicknamed the Red Hats, which is primarily tasked with clandestinely flying foreign military aircraft. The Air Force would not provide information of any kind about the incident itself, including what Schultz was flying at the time of his death, even in response to Freedom of Information Act requests. This resulted in a total void of information that has remained intact... until now.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/area-51-test.....-27-report

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Ukrajinci tvrde da su nasli zapadne cipove i delove u Ruskoj tehnici, Panciru, Ka-52, Barnaul...

Citat:In the Barnaul-T air defense command post vehicle, for example, Ukraine intelligence said its specialists found eight microchips from U.S. manufacturers like Intel, Micrel, Micron Technology and Atmel Corp. in its communications systems.

Ukrainian specialists also found five U.S.-made chips - manufactured by AMD, Rochester Electronics, Texas Instruments, and Linear Technology - in the direction finder of a Pantsir air defense system.

There were at least 35 U.S.-made chips found in the Kh-101 cruise missile, including those manufactured by Texas Instruments, Atmel Corp. Rochester Electronics, Cypress Semiconductor, Maxim Integrated, XILINX, Infineon Technologies, Intel, Onsemi, and Micron Technology.

When they opened up the turreted electro-optical system of the Ka-52 Alligator, Ukraine specialists found 22 U.S.-made chips and one Korean-made chip. The U.S. manufacturers included Texas Instruments, IDT, Altera USA, Burr-Brown, Analog Devices Inc., Micron Technology, Linear Technology and TE Connectivity.

While the U.S. and several other nations instituted sanctions after Russia launched its full-on invasion on Feb. 24 that prevented selling them equipment including microchips, there is no indication that any of the chips in these captured or destroyed Russian assets violated any of those provisions. In fact, some of the manufacturers were previously subsumed by other companies.

IDT, for example, was purchased by the Japanese firm Renesas in 2019. Micrel was purchased by Microchip Technology Incorporated in 2015. Atmel Corp. was also purchased by Microchip Technology, in 2016. Cypress Semiconductor Corp. was acquired by Infineon Technologies in 2020. Altera was purchased by Intel in 2015. Burr-Brown was purchased by Texas Instruments in 2000.

The origin of the microchips found in these Russian weapons is unclear. These chips would not necessarily have to have been sourced directly from the manufacturers. Also, there is a massive and largely unregulated market for recycled chips, largely emanating from China, and many of them appear to be quite old.

Ukraine intelligence officials who provided the component list also could not say where the chips originated.

But Skip Parish, a counter-drone/directed energy weapons/electronic warfare/red team subject matter expert for NATO and the U.S. military, reviewed the list of components provided by Ukraine intelligence and said they raise a number of issues.


A proizvodjaci kazu da ti delovi uopste nisi po vojnom standardu nego civilni pa su mogli biti nabavljani do sada.

Citat:The War Zone reached out to all the microchip manufacturers named in this story and several responded. Most said they no longer do business with Russia. Many said they either don’t know or can’t control where their chips wind up. And one company disputed the Ukraine intelligence assertion that its chips were found in Russian military equipment.

A spokeswoman from Onsemi, for instance, pointed out that her company's chips are not military-grade, thus easily obtainable.

Stefanie Cuene, head of public relations for onsemi, said that her company’s chip “is a commodity, not military grade and available anywhere on the open market.”

“We already viewed the war in Ukraine with serious concern,” Gregor Rodehüser, spokesman for Infineon Technologies told The War Zone. “Your message deepens these concerns."

“While we cannot comment on the topic specifically, Infineon has implemented appropriate measures to ensure compliance with the sanctions.”

After the beginning of the war in Ukraine, he said, “we have stopped all direct and indirect shipments to Russia, Belarus and the respective Russian-backed regions in Ukraine. This also includes technical support.”

Infineon Technologies, Rodehüser said, has not yet “found any evidence of military use of our products in Russia. We therefore screen customers and markets sourcing our products for compliance with legal export regulations.”


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/captured-rus.....microchips

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