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Saveti za kupovinu pištolja

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alexb :: sam izgled Berette je mocan i unosi stah i respekt, moje licno zapazanje Smile.


Svaki pistolj unosi strah i respekt onome u koga je uperen, osim ako taj neko nije totalni imbecil.

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Napisano: 03 Apr 2014 16:19

Shomy , ono sto ja hocu da napomenem je da bi mi bilo drago da si kupio nov Glock 17 ma koliko bio ocuvan on je i dalje polovan a da mu je cena realna ovde ti bi kupio nov.

Dopuna: 03 Apr 2014 16:21

proka89 , nisam mislio uperen pistolj nego ergonomija.

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Aleksb, Bereta (a bogami ni jedan sa dvoredim okvirom) NEMA sjajnu ergonomiju za ljude sa manjim sakama. Za njih je P-220 vrh.

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Aleks
Pa gde bas nadje da uporedjujes ergonimojU Glocka i Berete i to u korist Berete? Bereta uopste nije sinonim za dobru ergonomiju, narocito ne naspram Gloka.
Samo jedno pitanjce: da li preporucujes ovae pistolje na osnovu svog iskustva/broja ispucanih metaka ili na osnovu cena po kojima mogu da se kupe kod nas?

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bojank ::Aleksb, Bereta (a bogami ni jedan sa dvoredim okvirom) NEMA sjajnu ergonomiju za ljude sa manjim sakama. Za njih je P-220 vrh.

Raniji citat:

kuntalo ::Usporedba sa P220 (levo i dole), ko ovde ima dvoredni okvir?



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Ne znam koje su drske na njemu, ali onaj iz kog sam gadjao pre dosta godina je imao prilicno tanke drske, bivsa devojka je mogla sasvim lepo da ga drzi, a nije mogla bukvalno ni jedan dvoredi, ukljucujuci i beretu. Zato taj komentar...

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Shomy to sto se tebi ne dopada moja konstatacija da je beretta bolja od glocka, shvatices ako si razuman ako ti ne odgovara moj stav, sta da ti radim.
Sto se ostalih postolja tice koje sam naveo oni nisu nista losiji od cz 99, mnogi ovde precenjuju cz 99.



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Svaki dizajn ima svoje prednosti i nedostatke. Kod Berette najveci nedostatak je cena, posto je cena na evropskom trzistu nerealno visoka.

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Један амерички генерал сад давне 1985 године, ако не грешим, рекао је када су уводили амери берету у наоружање, а као замену за колт 1911, на питање једног од новинара: Да ли постоји тренутно бољи пиштољ од берете? Одговорио је да постоји, али нажалост није га могуће купити у САД. На питање који је то пиштољ? Одговорио је: то је ЧЗ 75.

читам овде како неки пишу мој глок је испуцао 100000+ метака без проблема...релеванта ствар јер код 99,99% корисника тај пиштољ неће испуцати ни 10ти део те количине муниције.

Знам само једно да мрзим те палстиканце, ма колико они били добри... Одан сам челику и 200 грама више не значи ми ништа, пошто нисам професионалац, који су у 21 веку постали мамине мазе и кукају како им је све тешко...

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Beretta je dobila vojni ugovor ne samo kvalitetom. Bilo je tu svakakvih manevara.
Koga zanima:
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In 1981, the US Army was given control of the JSSAP pistol trials. 85 requirements were laid down for the winning XM9 pistol; 72 were mandatory while 13 were desirable. Only four pistols were entered: the Beretta 92SB (an improved 92S-1), the HK P7M13, the S&W 459A, and the SIG-Sauer P226. However, all four failed, and strangely, the Beretta finished dead last, even behind the M1911A1.

Congress and the GAO were infuriated by the waste of money with no apparent results. Procurement funds for additional .45 ACP ammunition was withheld until the US Army could formulate a test series that a manufacturer could pass. The XM9 trials started again in January 1984. During the mean time, Beretta had improved the 92SB again, calling the resulting pistol the 92SB-F. The competitors included the Colt SSP, the FN Double Action Hi-Power, the HK P7M13, the SIG-Sauer P226, the S&W 459, the Steyr GB, and the Walther P88. In the end, only the P226 and 92SB-F were considered to have passed all of the tests.

After a series of bids in which SIG-Sauer was the low bidder, Beretta was finally given the contract due to a lower price quoted on its spare parts. Needless to say, SIG-Sauer was extremely annoyed, and there were allegations that Beretta was shown SIG-Sauer's final bid in order to under-cut it. Moreover, the other manufacturers were upset for a variety of reasons. Several had worked up bids before they were told that they were in fact not eligible. Moreover, S&W's pistols had failed due to a mathematical error while converting to English units from Metric in determining firing pin energy.

After a series of GAO and Congressional investigations, another series of tests similar to the XM9 trials were ordered for 1987. However, these started off with controversy as well. The US Army fought to keep the 92F (now the M9) from being retested since it had passed the XM9 trials. SIG-Sauer insisted that the P226 didn't need to retested either since it had passed XM9 as well. On the other hand, S&W noted that the Beretta M9s were no longer being built to the standards of the XM9 trials, having received relaxation of several requirements including accuracy.

Around the same time, reports of M9 slide separations were becoming rampant in both the US Navy and Army. The Navy SEALs were arguably abusing their pistols by firing over-pressure ammunition in suppressed examples, while the Army's separations were blamed on the use of recycled slides from a French contract which contained tellurium. Events were becoming so bad that a Safety-of-Use message recommended that slides be replaced after 3000 rounds had been fired; however, this recommendation was lowered to 1,000 rounds after a M9 suffered a slide separation with less than 3,000 rounds fired.

Beretta took a two-pronged response. First, they sued the Department of the Navy because the SEAL Teams had leaked info of the slide separations to Ruger. Second, they designed a hammer pin with an over-sized head to fit into a groove machined in the slide. Thus, if the slide separated, it would not strike the user in the face. Commercially, these pistols are known as the 92FS

The XM10 tests were finally rescheduled for 1988 after being canceled the year before for lack of participation. Beretta refused to submit samples, so the US Army used off-the-shelf M9s. Beretta protested this, but since they had already refused samples, this protest was rejected. SIG-Sauer also refused to submit samples, standing on principle that they had passed XM9 the first time. S&W submitted their 459 again, and Ruger submitted their new P85.

Again, there were allegations of impropriety. The Army refused to relax their requirement for a chrome-lined bore, even if the barrel was made from stainless steel. Moreover, the S&W failed tests that they had passed in XM9. They were the only pistols to pass the XM9 accuracy requirements, yet they failed the XM10. The S&W also failed the corrosion tests in spite of the fact that the affected parts which failed XM10 were made from stainless steel, while the same parts in the successful XM9 samples were made from carbon steel. Ruger wasn't provided any reasons as to why their samples failed.

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