Iskustva pilota sa vježbe Red Flag

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F-15 pilot opinion about the SU-30 MKI at Red Flag



F-15 pilot opinion about the SU-30 MKI at Red Flag part 2



Na kratko: iskustva pilota vrede više nego performanse aviona (ali je ipak dobro imati dobar avion )

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Drago mi je sto su ovo postavili ovako javno na YOUTUBE.

Zanimljivo je sta je rekao o utreniranosti Indijskih pilota. Jos trebaju da se upoznajusa svojim masina.

Ponovicu jos jednom Rusi su napravili veliku gresku sto nisu izbacili novi Mig 21.
Povecali su masu Mig 35 u odnosu na Mig 29. Bilo bi zanimljivo videti Mig 29 SMT kako bi se nosio sa avionima koji su ucestvovali u tim vezbama.

Steta sto su Francuzi Francuzi, prave j*j*re.

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US Red Flag pilot candidly assesses Su-30MKI’s limits, Rafale’s dirty tricks

US Air Force pilots flyingBoeing F-15s “dominated” and “amazed” Indian Air Force Sukhoi Su-30MKI pilots in a recent exercise, but still expect that legacy F-15s andLockheed Martin F-16s will swiftly lose their competitive edge to the Russian export fighters.



Those remarks came in an explicitly candid assessment by an unidentified USAF pilot posted on 4 November on the YouTube online video sharing service. “Now what I’m scared of is Congress is going to hear that and go – ‘Great, we don’t need to buy any more airplanes. No, no, no, no,’” the pilot tells an audience that includes retired air force leaders.

He adds that “it’s only a matter of time” before the IAF Su-30 pilots learn how to overcome the manoeuvre used so successfully against them at the international Red Flag exercise.





The F-15 pilots used their simulated combat experience against the thrust vectoring capability of the Lockheed Martin F-22 to exploit a vulnerability of the Su-30 in a hard turn, the pilot said.“So we start to pull in on him, and then all of a sudden you start to see the [Su-30’s aft-] end kick down and he starts doing vectored thrust,” the pilot says.

“But now he starts falling out of the sky. He’s falling out of the sky so fast that you don’t even have to go up,” the pilot adds. “You just have to pull back on the stick a little bit, pull the throttle, go to guns and come in and drill his brains out.” Even so, the professionalism and skill of the IAF pilots at Red Flag gained the respect of the USAF pilots.

However, French Air Force pilots, who deployed to the same event with the Dassault Rafale fighter, apparently engaged in non-friendly activities.“They never really came to any merges,” the pilot explains.

“What they were really doing was, they had all their sensors on sniffing and seeing how our radars worked. And that’s really all they were doing out here. They came out here and they watched the whole flight, with their newest airplane and their newest electronic receiving units, and sucked up all the ‘trons in the air.”

The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

“The MiG-21 had the ability to get in the scissors with you at 110kts at 60 degrees nose high and go from 10,000 to 20,000 feet,” he said.

The Su-30MKI deployment to Mountain Home AFB, Idaho, for the exercise was complicated by the low-reliability of the Russian made engines, the pilot adds.

“One of the things the Indians were very disappointed in, was when they FOD’d an engine out, the Russians make them send the engine back to Russia, and then they’ll send them a new one,” the pilot says. “So, not the perfect situation for them being here in the United States with those engines.”

The pilot did not identify himself in the videos, but there were several clues to his status. He wore a fighter pilot’s G-suit, and he referred to a patch on his shoulder that indicated he was a member of the Fighter Weapons School at Nellis AFB. He also referred to Nellis as “here”, indicting this was the location where his lecture took place.

Dopuna: 07 Nov 2008 13:19

evo, najinteresantnije iz konferencije za stampu. lik prica prilicno nerazumljivo, bar za nas, tako da citanje ide mnogo lakse...

@leonard,

sto se tice francuza, doneli su rafale, ne da bi otkrili sta on moze, vec da bi otkrili sta mogu drugi. navodno nisu bas palili radare, a u dogfajt nisu ni ulazili. sve to govori o tome da su dosli da spijuniraju. svi senzori su bili podeseni na "sniffing", tj. njuskanje senzora, tj. radara drugih aviona. ne bih bas rekao da u jajare, ali da su hteli da spijuniraju druge.

inace, ono sto kazu FOD je foreign object damage.kad se tako nesto desi su-30, indijci salju motor u rusiju,a rusi im salju drugi. ne bas najbolje resenje.

rekao je covek i za 3d vektorisani potisak da su-30 jako brzo gubi brzinu i visinu, ali je imao pune reci hvale za mig-21 bizon kako se tesko otkriva na malim visinama. medjutim, spominje izraelski radar i podvesnik za elektronsko ometanje. koliko znam, tu su modernizaciju odradili rusi. ne mogu da verujem da su vec ruski radar zamenili sa izraelskim?!

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Citat:The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays,
21ца иначе има мали одраз, зна да ствара муке и земаљским радарима.

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sebab ::@leonard,

sto se tice francuza, doneli su rafale, ne da bi otkrili sta on moze, vec da bi otkrili sta mogu drugi. navodno nisu bas palili radare, a u dogfajt nisu ni ulazili. sve to govori o tome da su dosli da spijuniraju. svi senzori su bili podeseni na "sniffing", tj. njuskanje senzora, tj. radara drugih aviona. ne bih bas rekao da u jajare, ali da su hteli da spijuniraju druge.

inace, ono sto kazu FOD je foreign object damage.kad se tako nesto desi su-30, indijci salju motor u rusiju,a rusi im salju drugi. ne bas najbolje resenje.

rekao je covek i za 3d vektorisani potisak da su-30 jako brzo gubi brzinu i visinu, ali je imao pune reci hvale za mig-21 bizon kako se tesko otkriva na malim visinama. medjutim, spominje izraelski radar i podvesnik za elektronsko ometanje. koliko znam, tu su modernizaciju odradili rusi. ne mogu da verujem da su vec ruski radar zamenili sa izraelskim?!
Cinjenica jeste da su Amerikanci iskoristili svoj politicki uticaj da se nametnu na mnogim tenderima gde su Francuzi mogli pobediti kvalitetom. Ali isto tako Francuzi su prodavali oruzije zemljama kojima je Amerika htela namatnuti embargo...

Sve u svemu Amerikanci cene karakter. A Francuzi su Francuzi ili dominiraju i namecu svoju kulturu i ideje ili cute ko ... u travi.
Jako nezgodan saveznik. Mislim da je to ispod svake casti. Dodjes na zajednicku vezbu i nisi u stanju da se barem malo igras. Sta su radili? Posmatrali . Voajeri... valjda im to prilici.
Sto bi se reklo "idite kuci".

P.S. razumeo sam sve.

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Ne znam ja nisam ubedjen da je ovo pilot USAF.

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@leonard,

nije da francuzi ne umeju, nego nisu hteli, objasnio sam, tj. u textu je objasnjeno zasto.

i medju saveznicima postoje interesi. uostalom, sta saveznistvo ima sa red flag. ni indijci nisu saveznici, pa su ipak dosli.

@zixo

zasto? meni bas deluje kao amer - naduvan i prica pilotskim zargonom, a o izgovoru da i ne pricam - to valjda niko ne ume...

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sebab ::@leonard,

nije da francuzi ne umeju, nego nisu hteli, objasnio sam, tj. u textu je objasnjeno zasto.

Ko je rekao da ne umeju. Samo nisu hteli da pevaju pesmice uz logorsku vatru sa ostakom ekipe.
Kao sto sam vec rekao ako ne zele da ucestuju ozbiljno neka...

Wait a minute...

Pa oni su saveznici po default-u.
Pa zato su i dovedeni Francuzi .

Jao, kako su dobri Amerikanci i pohvalise profesionalizam Indijaca. Mozda ovaj pilot ni ne zna zasto su Rafali dosli. Kao doci ce i Francuzi sa svojim lepoticama.
Hustle bese odgovarajuca rec na amerikanskom jeziku...

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Koliko se secam Su-30 uopste nije ni zamisljen kao pandam F-22.
Uvek se govorilo o nekom Su-35 ili Su-37 pre nego sto se pojavi PAK-FA.

Pa da mene neko pita ja bi poslao radije Mig-29 SMT sa svim novotarijama radije na F-22 nego bilo koji Su koji je u aktivnoj upotrebi.

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Citat:The pilot also says the IAF’s MiG-21 Bison aircraft, modified with Israeli radar, active radar missiles and electronic jammers, are nearly “invisible” to the F-15 and F-16’s current mechanically-scanned arrays, allowing the Indian pilots to sneak past the USAF radar screen and engage the F-15s and F-16s in dogfights.

Ovo je nevidjeno lupanje. Prvo indijski MiG-ovi 21 nisu modernizovani izraelskim radarima a drugo nisu ni ucestovali na Red Flag-u.