Zašto Treći Rajh nije napao Švedsku i Švajcarsku?

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Zašto Treći Rajh nije napao Švedsku i Švajcarsku?

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"Some 75% of all gold transactions made by the Reichsbank during World War Two were made through Swiss banks."

Zanimljivo je da popriličan broj metalsko - alatničarskih te elektrotehničarskih kompanija Švajcarske i Švedske funkcioniše pod jedinstvenom "komandom". I tada i sada.

German Gestapo Era

The Hitler in his era once announced to death sentence for the German citizens if they had any foreign capital. During this time the German Gestapo intimately kept eyes the Swiss Bank Accounts. This factor reinforced the Swiss bankers to keep the information secret. The Swiss citizens favored the bank secrecy in polls of 1984.

Nazi Gold Era

Before the World War II, the Jews from different European countries deposited their savings in Swiss Bank accounts. After the WWII, the accounts were inaccessible for these Jews on account of non-availability of documentation.

Some reports suggested that gold valuing as much as 400 million dollars (approximately 3.9 billion dollars now) was moved to Swiss National Bank in Bern. This gold was supposed to belong to the Jews. It was supposed to melt and finance the WWII. The Switzerland felts threat of attack from Germany in those days. This gold while melting was mixed with some other gold to conceal identity of the gold.



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Koliko shvatam iz prethodnih postova, Gibraltar su celi rat držali britanci ?!?
Ako je to tačno, zašto Franko na samom početku II sv.rata kad je još mogao, nije zauzeo taj deo teritorije koji španci i dan danas smatraju svojim.
Em bi olakšao posao Hitleru pa bi se saveznička flota na mediteranu našla u škripcu, em bi se celokupna situacija na evropskom kontinentu a i u severnoj africi okrenula u korist sila osovine.



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Nije tako jednostavno.Procitaj malo o operaciji Fenix
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1.Franko, sam, i bez pomoci Nemaca, nije imao nikakvu sansu da osvoji Gibraltar
2.Sto se tice Nemaca, oni jesu imali neki plan (gore naveden), ali im je trebala Spanija, jer su morali negde da koncentrisu trupe za takvu operaciju.Medjutim, Hitler je 1940 smatrao da moze prisiliti Britaniju na kapitulaciju zauzimanjem Sueza, i Maroko je za njega imao stratesku vaznost.Dati francuski Maroko Spaniji, zbog jednokratne upotrebe spanskog teritorija, u jednoj ne toliko kriticnoj operaciji, je bilo malo previse
3.Padobranski desant na Gibraltar nema sanse za uspeh, zbog malog cilja, terena (okomita stena), i brtianskih brodova i podmornica.Gibraltar je baza britanskih podmornica
4. Franko je uzeo u obzir, da je Spanija u dometu britanskih bombardera, i da ce ostati bez Kanarskih ostrva, koje ce Britanci lako osvojiti.Inace Spanija je ionako bila iscrpena gradjanskim ratom 1936-1939, i vojni potencijal i efektivnost spanske vojske je bila problematicna

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To bi značilo ulazak Španije u svetski rat. Franko jeste poslao jednu (tzv "Plavu") diviziju na Istočni front da bi se dodvorio Hitleru i zahvalio za podršku u Španskom građanskom ratu. To je mogao da učini jer je šansa da mu Crvena Armija zakuca na Pirineje bila praktično nepostojća s obzirom na množinu država koje bi morali da pregaze da bi stigli dotle. Međutim u slučaju Britanije opasnost od odmazde je bila realna, Franko je znao da je Španija slaba, da je rat odlučuju velike sile a da je pobednik neizvesan, da će biti reprekusija ako se zameri nekom pobedniku koji može da uzvrati i da bi Gibraltar, naravno bio vraćen Britaniji ako saveznici pobede i ko zna čega sve još bi slaba Španija morala da se odrekne, Seuta i Meilja bi verovatno bile pri vrhu spiska.

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OK hvala na iscrpnim odgovorima Wink
I još nešto što nema veze sa ovom temom - da li je onda i Hong Kong kao tadašnja britanska teritorija takođe bio "pošteđen" japanske okupacije na sličan način kao i Gibraltar ili nije ?

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RJ ::OK hvala na iscrpnim odgovorima Wink
I još nešto što nema veze sa ovom temom - da li je onda i Hong Kong kao tadašnja britanska teritorija takođe bio "pošteđen" japanske okupacije na sličan način kao i Gibraltar ili nije ?

Ма није, окупирали су га одмах.
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Британци су знали да не могу да га бране од јапанаца.

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Ма Швајцерску нису дали масони, веома једноставно и вала може бити веома реално.

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Čisto sumnjam da je Hitler ako je imalo bio promućuran imao na umu na napada Švicu jerbo mu je bila od velike koristi u kamapnjama i ujedino cijelom ratu. Njemački avioni su koristili Rajmental i Oerlikon topove, a precizne instrumente i municiju su proizvodili za rajh sve u šesnaest, pa čak i avionske komponente. Deponovali su nacisti po njihovim bankama silno pokradeno blago iz cijele Evrope, a da ih ovi nisu ni pitali odakle je (zahvaljujući njima su i izbjegli inflaciju i kolaps marke) Švica je debelo profitirala na ratu i saradnji sa Hitlerom a on je dobijao obavještajne podatke i usluge od njih (Švica je bila meka za obavještajce) plus robu pa po nekim podatcima i dobrovoljci su učestvovali u ratu na strani Vermahta. O tome navodno svjedoči oprema pronađena u bitci na Neretvi i Sutjesci (šljemovi i oprema CH proizvodnje) e sad koliko je to tačno.... Bebee Dol

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Колико је тачно? Хм...зато смо и отворили ову тему.

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Svedska je bila neutralna zemlja, mada je bilo saradnje i sa jednima i drugima.
Evo i jedan tekst.Link je na kraju.Prevod Gugl...


New image of Sweden during the war years

Swedish exports of iron ore and ball bearings to Germany prolonged the Second World War. On the other hand made no country more to assist and save Jews. It appears in a new edition of If ye your children ...

August 25, 2009 at 09:23, Updated: August 25, 2009 at 10:17
What was Sweden's role during the Holocaust? What's to be proud of, and be ashamed of?

So reads a few of the questions in the new version of the book, if ye your children ... The original has reached 1.3 million Swedes, but has now been supplemented with a 20-page chapter on Sweden and the Holocaust, and printed in 30 000 copies, "to last until Christmas," says Eskil Franck, director of the Living History, which publishes the work.

-Our intention has been to provide a contrasting picture to that which dominates, the one that shows that the Conservative government did what it could, and should not be blamed, says Paul A. Levine, who with Stéphane Bruchfeld is the author of If ye your children ...


Another aim has been to deconstruct some of the most common myths, as the Swedes did not know anything, or were late out what the Nazis did to Jews.

-From August 1942 the Swedish authorities to know what is happening, and from September of that year starts Swedish newspapers report on the death camps.

-We could have written a book that is only critical to the country's policies regarding the mass killings of Jews, because there's enough material for it. But our mission was to provide a nuanced and complex picture, sometimes contradictory, plus the change over time.

Sweden's action was at first very narrowly, and when the war broke out in 1939, only 3000 Jewish refugees allowed into the country, "which was less than tiny Luxembourg had received" the authors write.

At one point in the book told of a German request from 1941. It has invaded the Soviet Union, needs to troop reinforcements and therefore conveying Engelbrecht division from Norway to Finland, the Swedish territory, which the Swedish government will accept.

How did contemporary threats like, for Sweden? What would have happened if the Prime Minister had refused?

-Probably nothing. The Germans fully realized the value of trade in Sweden. In addition, several other countries have said no to the Nazis' demands, but Hitler did something.

In another place the authors note that Sweden's export of iron ore and ball bearings continued, long after it became clear that Germany would lose the war, and long after many others had ceased to trade with the Nazis.

-Sweden's decision to prioritize economic renewed without a doubt the war, but how long is of course uncertain.

There are harsh words, but they would be somewhat mitigated by the change that is still taking place, and among other things results in welcoming the Norwegian and Danish Jewish refugees, and let the Embassy in Budapest issued Swedish protective passes to the city's Jews, plus arrange for "the white buses "to free the prisoners from the camps. Though only a third of the 20 000 saved were Jews; action was primarily organized to bring back the Scandinavian citizens.

Another far less notable effort was made by Swedish employees at ASEA, LM Ericsson and Swedish Match factory, which acted as couriers for the Polish underground. They were revealed by the Germans in 1942, and several of those involved were sentenced to death, but the authors write, "Sweden's good relationship with Nazi Germany led them eventually were released."

The final review will be positive, and the authors' summary is this: More could have been done, but "during the war, aided and rescued Sweden is probably more Jews than any other country."

The old version was printed in seven languages, in addition to Swedish, to give the country's immigrants with a piece of important history. The new one will only be translated into English, for economic reasons, and there will be no foreign distribution.

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-The various foreign versions already have a chapter on their own country, the Latvian, German and French editions. Sweden is the last with a longer description of their behavior, strangely enough.

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