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Poslao: 20 Nov 2018 13:51
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dugo traje ovo testiranje.
Možda ima nešto na time, što se kod nas šuškalo u poslednje vreme, da ne radi sve kako bi trebalo. Ali opet to se šuškalo u medijima, koja su se protivila nabavci bilo čega za vojsku
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Poslao: 20 Nov 2018 21:48
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^ Ako mi na ovom forumu pored tolikog broja upučenih nemamo informacija još ih manje imaju novinari.
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Poslao: 15 Dec 2018 10:07
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Sprema se nova ponuda za Sloveniju, njihovi Boxeri ce biti isti kao Litvanski.
Britanija bi narucila 500, a moguce do 800, u 4 varijante.
Citat:According to Krause, the UK is considering four variants: the armoured personnel carrier (APC), C4I command post, ambulance, and repair versions. He gave a timeline of 2018-19 for negotiations and the main gate, 2020-22 for the demonstration phase, and 2023-25 for the delivery of the first vehicles and the declaration of their initial operational capability, with deliveries continuing to 2030.
Krause said the vehicles would use the existing designs, with "limited essential UK modifications" like the Bowman communications system and UK electronic countermeasures. He expressed the intention of negotiations to deliver at least 60% of programme value to the UK, including manufacturing, assembly, systems integration, and testing and verification. Through the programme, the UK "will regain the ability to weld steel and produce armoured vehicles independently", he said.
Krause identified UK demand of at least 500 vehicles worth EUR2 billion (USD2.3 billion), with the likelihood of follow-up orders that would increase the total to 800. He expected the contract to be signed during the second half of 2019.
Krause was also confident that a revised offer would be made to Slovenia soon. He expected the use of existing solutions for the Boxer to drive down prices and the similarity between the Slovenian and the Lithuanian versions to reduce recurring costs, such as by having the same Rafael Samson Mk II remote weapon station.
https://www.janes.com/article/85225/european-boxer-programmes-take-final-shape
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Poslao: 17 Dec 2018 08:31
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The Samson Mark 2 RWS has been chosen by the Lithuanian Army for integration into their future Boxers. With Samson Mk 2 RWS the vehicle is called "Vilkas", Lithuanian for "wolf". However aside of having the same "unmanned" issues as found by the Australians on the LAV (CRV) with the Kongsberg Protector MCT-30 turret, the Samson Mark 2 RWS also suffers from poor armor protection and lower features compared to pretty much all other mentioned products. It is understood that the Lithuanian choice of the Samson Mk.2 RWS was the result of reducing the price of the vehicle, as they previously had tested the more expensive (and more capable) Boxer IFV with Puma turret. The Samson Mk. 2 turret can be at most armored up to STANAG 4569 level 4 and thus fails to meet the Australian requirements. It has the same type of non-dampened launcher as installed in Elbit's MT30 turret, but lacks it's laser warning system. There are no smoke grenade dischargers and there is no option for a MG armed RWS ontop of the turret. No APS has been integrated on the Samson Mark 2 turret.
https://below-the-turret-ring.blogspot.com/search?q=Samson+Mk+2
Barem dimne bacače su na ovim litvancima ugradili. Inače Samson Mk2 nije neka super kupola. Što kaže narod - dobiješ koliko platiš.
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Poslao: 17 Dec 2018 10:34
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Mct-30 nije bio ponuđen na australskom tenderu CRV. Barem ne u finalu gdje se testiralo uzivo. Izvor nije baš nešto pouzdan
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Poslao: 17 Dec 2018 11:55
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janezek67 ::Inače Samson Mk2 nije neka super kupola. Što kaže narod - dobiješ koliko platiš.
Slažem se. Bolje da mi uzmemo jeftinije vozilo Patriu i skuplju turelu. A još bolje da sami razvijemo i proizvodimu turelu po svim željama vojske.
Trenutno samo firme Rheinmetall, BAE i Israeli Technology and Maintenance Corps prave turele prve lige.
Druga liga je GDLS, CMI, GM Defense (nekad)...
Treća liga, Kongsberg, Rafael, Elbit...
Što se tiće zapada.
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Poslao: 17 Dec 2018 12:40
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Kongsberg sa stanicom 12,7 mm je sasvim ok. Oko one turele neznam, koliko je dobra, znam samo, da mi djeluje vrlo glomazno. Ako več urmemo Rafael ili Elbitovu turelu, onda je svejedno, ako uzmemo od Poljaka ili čak Hrvata oklopno tjelo Patrije..
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Poslao: 17 Dec 2018 14:02
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^ 4 firme iz Finske, Poljske, Hrvacke i Slovačke(uskoro) proizvode Patrie pa ih možeš pozvati na zatvoren tender, pa nek se takmiću cenom i kvalitetom. A možemo od Finaca uzeti i nov model Patrie (Patria AMV XP). I fino možemo Fince stisnuti s cenom jer ako zamenimo Patrije drugim vozilom ode Fincima verodostojnost, kao eto Slovenci zamenili Patriu jer nije dobra, a možemo i Fincima pomoči u promociji ako raspišemo tender sa Boxerom i oni pobede sa Patriom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahLYZN5Yq4c Kraj OT.
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